Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:27:11 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LKS] RE;GALLAGHER
Would anyone be able to tell me how to find someone who was a Catholic Priest. There was a Father Gallagher, at a Parish in Tollcross in the late 1940-50s. He was related to a family member I,m searching. This is the only link I have to this family. Catherine
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 07:07:59 GMT To: carsaig@shaw.ca Subject: [LKS] RE;GALLAGHER From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com> Catherine, On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:27:11 -0500 you wrote - >> There was a Father Gallagher, >> at a Parish in Tollcross in the late 1940-50s. Almost <g>. Fr Alfred Gallaucher (and he was very picky about the spelling) was Parish Priest of St Joseph's, Tollcross from 1944 to 1970 and died on August 11 that year. I know nothing of his family except that I /think/ he went to Greenock on his days off and retired there towards the end of his life. He may have died there, though he was buried from St Joseph's. (My family were parishioners at that time but I was young and had other things on my mind.) An appreciation would have been published in the Scottish Catholic Observer (19 Waterloo Street, Glasgow G2 6BT. Tel: 0141 221 4956 Fax: 0141 221 4546 email: info@scottishcatholicobserver.com) at some point in the two or three weeks following his death, and an obituary in the Western Catholic Calendar for the following year. The Archdiocese of Glasgow (http://www.rcag.org.uk) may have information about him if you can work out which department deals with deceased priests. I believe the Archivist is at Archives@rcag.org.uk. hth Josh
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:47:53 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: re;Gallaucher" To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Thank you so very much. I just sent another message to the "Observer" This time I do hope they reply. The priest in question, I met once, when my late husband and I visited him in 1951. He was my father-in-law,s cousin. Yes, I do believe that the family, were from the Greenock area. I should tell you, that my dealings with the clergy in Scotland have not yielded much information. On my maternal side of the family, I contacted another Church where the records are supposed to be kept for that area. I sent a donation and told the priest, what I was looking for - with dates, etc. He in turn, gave my letter to a parishoner, who wrote and said "do you realise, these people are all dead" So that was that! You have no idea, how I appreciate your help. Catherine, Northern Ontario,Canada
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:59:49 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [LKS] RE;GALLAGHER To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com <> Could you let me know if you received my previous message? Thank you Catherine
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:11:19 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LKS] Re;GALLAGHER Thank you to Heather, Josh and John who have been giving me assistance with this query. Catherine
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 09:12:57 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LKS] Re;Gallagher My thanks to Heather - Josh - and John, Who have helped me with my search. Catherine
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:31:37 GMT To: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [LKS] RE;GALLAGHER From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com> Hi Catherine, on Thu, 07 Nov 2002 06:59:49 -0500 you wrote > Could you let me know if you received my previous > message? Thank you Yes, both messages were there when I collected my email on Saturday morning. (It only happens every two or three days.) > When my late husband and I visited him in 1951. A Mr Lee or Lees was the caretaker in St Joseph's parish hall in the 1950s and early 60s. > He in turn, gave my letter to a parishoner, who wrote and said > "do you realise, these people are all dead" Genealogy and Family History may be amongst the top three topics for Google searches, but I'm afraid they are not hot topics in the highways and byways of Scotland. I only started systematic searching under mild pressure from a cousin in New Zealand. The main interest is definitely found in the descendants of emigrants. Which must make it no less irritating when you get a brush-off like that. I hope you get a better response from the Observer. BTW, there's a photograph of Fr Gallaucher (approx 4.5" by 3.5") in the St Joseph's Diamond Jubilee booklet (1953). Let me know if you want a scan, and what sort of image size. Josh
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:02:54 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: re;Gallagher" To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Thank you so much Josh. I,ve just come in and there was lots of mail. Yesterday, was my volunteer day for the Finnish Assoc. in our town. We are a family of volunteers, my sons, their wives and families. We also had a good teacher in my late husband. I would appreciate the picture of Father Gallagher. I,ve tried Family Search and since I found that the name was Alfred, I,ve asked them to send a copy of his obituary. My late husband,s grandfather, was born in Greenock, but I can,t find the actual date. There are so many James Gallaghers on the IGI. My husband was James, my son James Anthony,so he,s called :Tony:my grandson is James. As a matter, the same grandson just arrived home with his father from a Rotary Conference in Cadillac, Michigan. His dad let him drive all the way home, over 300 miles, and he just got his permit. It,s a great route, we can go all the way from here, to Florida on U.S.75.about 2500 miles. Although, when I go in January, I,ll be flying. Where are you located Josh? I,m in Northern Ontario, a place called Sault Ste.Marie, we have a twin city in Michigan. So just look at the map of Michigan and right at the top you,ll see where we are. I do hope that the Observer does reply to my message. However, in April, I sent one to Scotland on another matter, and on Friday I received a reply. They sure take their time. Thanking you again, Catherine.
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:17:56 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LKS] re'Gallagher" Thank you to all, who answered my query re:- Father Alfred Gallaucher(Gallagher) He was born in Gourock-Oct,1st,1884 and died in Gourock Aug.11th,1970. We do have a great bunch of people on this list!. Catherine
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:14:43 GMT To: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re;Gallagher" From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com> Hi Catherine, There should be a file attached to this message, FrGall.jpg, size 49261 bytes. An interesting life you lead, flitting hither and thither, crossing borders as a matter of course. I just hang around Glasgow, with the occasional walk in the countryside for variety. I was in Canada in '89, just drifting around mostly by train. The nearest I got to Sault Ste Marie was Sudbury and I only stopped there for a couple of nights. I hope you get a positive response from the Observer. Josh [Attachment FILE://"E:\VAccess\Images\FrGall.jpg" sent]
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:43:16 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re;Gallagher" To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Thank you so much Josh, That is a nice picture of. Father Gallaucher. Yes, I did hear from the Observer and they are sending a copy of his Obituary. But there is no mention of his family. He was ordained in Paris in 1909. So there just may be a link or a hint. You spend your time strolling around Glasgow. Too bad when I was young, I didn,t do likewise. The only places I strolled through were theLadies Clothing Stores. Even today, in my advanced years, that magic word :Sale: beckons me. The Mitchell Library must be a great place. Maybe I,ll make a trip sometime. Thank you again and do keep in touch. Catherine
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:17:16 GMT To: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re;Gallagher" From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com> Reply-To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com Hi Catherine, > Yes, I did hear from the Observer and they are > sending a copy of his Obituary. That's good. > But there is no mention of his family. That's bad. But, you have a date of birth, Oct 1st, 1884 and location, Gourock. If you want instant results and are prepared to pay (by credit card), then the site formerly known as Scots Origins, now at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ has a searchable index to BDMs and with luck there will be only one Alfred Gallaucher (or even Gallagher) in that area that year. I don't think the index gives parents names but, for an additional charge, you can order the certificate from Edinburgh. They also have searchable indexes to the 1891 and 1901 censuses where you might find the family. I think you can download an image of the relevant page in the enumerator's book. (I haven't used the site since it moved.) However, if you can leave the matter on the back burner for a few months, I will add Fr Gallaucher to my to-do list for the next time I'm near any useful archives. The Mitchell has a copy of the 1891 census index on fiche and most of the area around Glasgow on film. I'll be in there within the next two or three weeks. BDMs may not be till next February, that has to be booked a couple of weeks in advance and I have difficulty planning that far ahead at the moment. Anyway, the choice is yours. hth Josh
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:04:11 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re;Gallagher" To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Hi Josh, Thank you so much for the offer. That would be great if you are at theMitchell Library. Now I,m not as anxious, as I at least know where Father Gallagher came from. I know you will be interested to know, that just this past weekend, I found someone in Lethbridge,Alberta who is related on my mother,s side. With Xmas, coming and a few birthdays before that, also I,m off to the sun in January. So I,m not as busy as I once was, with my genealogy. Thank again, Catherine
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 07:02:52 GMT To: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re;Gallagher" From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com> Hi Catherine, Here's a starter to whet your appetite. The BDMs will take a little longer. Josh 567/2 Book 2 Page 35 Schedule No. 194 24 Royal St., Gourock in a house with 4 windowed rooms John M. Gallocher\Head\Mar\37\Marine Engineer\Ireland Margaret do.\Wife\Mar\44\\Renfrewshire, Gourock Louis O. do.\Son\\13\Scholar\do., Gourock John R.C. do.\Son\\11\Scholar\do., do. Herbert A.S.T.C. do.\Son\\8\Scholar\do., do. Alfred F.J. do.\Son\\6\Scholar\do., do. (I couldn't be sure of the ages of John M. and Louis O. so have accepted the figures in the index. They seem reasonable.) There are two other households at the same address, Wilson and Poole with 3 and 4 windowed rooms respectively. (Obviously a respectable dwelling, I don't think my ancestors ever had more than 2 windowed rooms and often a lot more children.) There is still a Royal Street in Gourock near the railway station. I had a quick look at the 1881 census but could only come up with - Dwelling: 22 Victoria St Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203690 GRO Ref Volume 646-2 EnumDist 25 Page 34 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mary SHERLOCK M 46 F Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Seamans Wife James GALLOCHER U 24 M Ireland Rel: Step Son Occ: Ship Carpenter Louis GALLOCHER 4 M Gourock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Gd Son Archd. KIRKWOOD 4 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Gd Son hth
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:59:13 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re;Gallagher" To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Thank you so much Josh, This very interesting. I,ve tried the IGI and can,t find any of them. The Obituary has not arrived from the Observer. It will probably have the place of burial or even the Undertakers, so I shall contact them, if possible. You have taken up my quest and I really appreciate it. The thing, I found amusing was, the windows. Talk to you soon, got to go count the windows. Catherine >
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:09:39 GMT To: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re;Gallagher" From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com> Hi Catherine, on Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:59:13 -0500 you wrote > I,ve tried the IGI and can,t find any of them. The Roman Catholic authorities in Scotland (and I think in the rest of the British Isles) did not cooperate when the LDS were going around seeking registers to film so there are few if any RC records in the IGI. Also the Registrar General allowed access only to a limited range of early BDM records so not much fall-back there. > The thing, I found amusing was, the windows. We've been counting windows since 1851 and were still at it last year. I suppose it's some measure of the "healthiness" of the housing. Josh
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:39:15 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re;Gallagher" To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Hi Josh! It,s nice to hear from you. Today, the Obituary from the "Observer" arrived. It doesn,t mention anything about Father Gallaucher,s parents. But it does say that he was buried in Dalbeth Cemetery beside his fellow priests. I just wonder, if there is any mention on his stone. So I have an E-mail address and will contact them. This is my volunteer day - every Tuesday I do work for an organization and then I had the laundry to do, so I,m pretty tired. We have snow on the ground and it is quite cold. I,ll let you know, when I have an answer from them. Catherine
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:01:19 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: re;gallagher: To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Hi Josh, There was a message from a Sharon Scullion at Dalbeth Cemetery, this morning when I awoke. It seems that there is no mention of parents, on the stone etc. So I,ll have to keep digging. I,ve got to go grocery shopping, it,s now -minus 14 degrees So I better bundle up, Bye. Catherine
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:10:07 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [LKS] RE;GALLAGHER To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Hi Josh, I just received a reply from the Archdiocese. Rev.Alfred Gallaucher born.Gourock -Oct 1st,1884 Ordained in Paris 1909 -died Aug.11th 1970. They have no record of his parents. I have to thank you for giving me the lead. Whenever, I find anything I will let you know. Catherine
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 10:02:25 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: re'Christmas" To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Good Morning Josh - A very Merry Christmas. It has been a very busy time and I,m off to Fort Lauderdale soon and then on a cruise to South America. So the genealogy has to take a back seat.I still have not found where Father Gallagher,s parents were from in Ireland. When I return, I should be rested and ready to go again. Have a wonderful 2003 -Happy New Year. Catherine in Snowy Northern Ontario.
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:31:30 GMT To: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re'Christmas" From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com> Hi Catherine, Thank you for the Christmas wishes, I hope you have a very happy and peaceful New Year. > I still have not found where Father Gallagher,s parents were from in > Ireland. The North Channel is not very wide but crossing it in genealogical matters is not easy. I have the same problem at various points in my lines and all I know to do is collect snippets and hope that one day, some unconsidered trifle will provide the vital clue. Enjoy the warm weather down south. Josh
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:46:05 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re'Christmas" To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com Hi Josh, A Very Happy New Year. May 2003, be a Good Year, I,m off on Jan.6th to the Sunshine. I do hope that 2003, is a good year for genealogy. Catherine
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:15:42 GMT To: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Gallaucher in Gourock From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com> Hi Catherine, A round tuit arrived the other day and I spent some time amongst the BDMs. The following may be of interest to you. [See notes at end anent difficulties reading some words.] Births 1884 Gourock Entry No. 102 Alfred Frederick Joseph Gallaucher Born 1884 October 1st at 3h0m a.m. at Shore Street, Gourock. Father John Mark Gallaucher, Engineer in Steam Yacht. Mother Margaret Gallaucher maiden surname Sweeney. Parents married 1876 August 15 in Greenock. Birth registered by Margaret Gallaucher, Mother. Birth registered on October 20 at Gourock, John Macmillan Registrar. 1882 Gourock Entry No. 48 Herbert Arthur St Clair Gallaucher Born 1882 April 24th at 2h15m p.m. at Shore[1] Street, Gourock. Father John Joseph Mark Gallaucher, Engine Fitter. Mother Margaret Gallaucher maiden surname Sweeney. Parents married 1876 July[sic] 15 in Greenock. Birth registered by Margaret Gallaucher, Mother. Birth registered on May 5 at Gourock, John Macmillan Registrar. 1880 Gourock Entry No. 5 John Robert Costello Gallaucher Born 1880 January 18th at 11h45m p.m. at 39 Royal Street, Gourock. Father John Mark Gallaucher, Hotel Proprietor. Mother Margaret Gallaucher maiden surname Sweeney. Parents married 1876 August 15 in Greenock. Birth registered by John M Gallaucher, Father, present at birth. Birth registered on January 22 at Gourock, John Macmillan Registrar. 1877 Gourock Entry No. 57 Louis Oscar Gallaucher Born 1877 July 18th at 4h40m p.m. at Cetana[2] Terrace, Royal Street, Gourock. Father John Joseph Mark Gallaucher, Mercantile Clerk. Mother Margaret Gallaucher maiden surname Sweeney. Parents married 1876 August 15 in Greenock. Birth registered by John Joseph Mark Gallaucher, Father, present at birth. Birth registered on August 6 at Gourock, John Macmillan Registrar. Marriage 1876 Greenock Entry No.237 - 15th August At St Mary's Greenock After Banns according to the forms of the Roman Catholic Church John Joseph Mark Gallaucher, Mercantile Clerk (Bachelor) age 23 residing at 311 West Blackhall Street, Greenock father John Gallacher[sic], Fruit Merchant (deceased) mother Mary Sherlock formerly Gallacher[sic] maiden surname McCusker Margaret Sweeney (Spinster) age 29 residing at 29 Nicholson Street, Greenock father Ambrose Sweeney, Flesher (deceased) mother Agnes Sweeney formerly Lavery maiden surname Goululand[3] Celebrant William Gordon, R.C.C. Witnesses John J McOsker[4] & Agnes Sweeney Registered on August 16 at Greenock, A. A. Band, Registrar. Gourock is Registration District No.567/2. Greenock is Registration District No.564/3 [1] Could be Sline or Shire but I think Shore is more likely. [2] Could be Getana or Octana or even Octavia. [3] A dog's breakfast. I think Gilliland might be intended. [4] Looks like McOsker but perhaps McCusker intended. The multiplicity of mothers' marriages should give you something to work on. <G> hth Josh
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:31:06 -0500 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: re'Gallagher" To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Thank you so much Josh. I just got back from my cruise last night. Arrived in a snow storm and my granddaughter came over to Michigan to pick me up. We hit a couple of white outs on the way home, and she did a great job, as we were on I-75 which is a busy highway. She is just 18 years old and a very good driver. This morning it was 24 below zero I will be working on this-how I wish there was someone else in the family interested. It,s so kind of you, to help me. Thanking you again,Catherine
Sender: carsaig@shaw.ca Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:35:32 -0400 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: re'Gallauchers" To: joshreynolds@compuserve.com Good Morning Josh, I have been working on my side of the family, which has taken me to Donegal. However, you were the one who gave me the information on Msgr.Gallaucher and this is what I have found out:- My late husband,s grandfather - James Gallaucher (Boatbuilder) married Elizabeth Paterson (School Mistress) Aug.19th,1881.St.Mary,s Greenock. James Parents:- John Gallaucher(Fruit Merchant) and Mary McCusker, 7 West Blackhall St.Greenock. Elizabeth,s Parents:-Edward Paterson (Hardware Broker) and Mary Paterson.6 West Stewart St.Greenock. I still can,t find where John Gallaucher and Mary McCusker were born or married but I presume it was in Ireland. Their sons John - Born about 1853 and James 1855 and then I found a daughter Ann Born March 14th,1860,Clyde.Glasgow. Batch #119261 at LDS. The boys, I think were born in Ireland. Mary McCusker turns up again, married Patrick Sherlock - Aug.31st,1868 Batch # 119261 I,don,t know if she knew this Patrick in Ireland! My side, I have found who I think is my Greatgrandmother Margaret Cassidy Born Oct 29th,1823, Tullintain,Killaghtee,Donegal. Her parents Edward Cassidy and Mary Shevlin Batch #7729109 I have put messages in as many boards as possible, regarding the Gallauchers and Cassidys. Theres a man and his wife, who live in New Hampshire they are going back to Donegal to search in August and his name is Shevlin I have also been in touch with the Diocese of Raphoe,Donegal and they gave me the name of the priest at Bruckless,which Kilaghtee would come under. He is not on line but this is what I entered "Parochial House" Bruckless,Donegal" and up came information, the PP looks a jolly sort. He even says Mass in Latin -which I miss very much. With all that you did for me, I thought you would like to know my progress. This is a very busy time of year, with spring cleaning, graduations etc. and I have another birthday June 12th and hope that god gives me the strength to leave some of their history to my family. Catherine
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:58:32 +0100 To: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: re'Gallauchers" From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com> Hi Catherine, on Sun, 18 May 2003 10:35:32 -0400 you wrote > With all that you did for me, I thought you would like to know my progress. Thanks for letting me know. You do seem to have sorted out the multitudinous marriages and made sense of the 1881 census Sherlock entry. Unfortunately, I know of no magic wand to find the Gallauchers in Ireland, which means you are pretty well stuck with that line. It's just as well you have your Cassidys to keep you going. <G> I wish you well. Josh
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:36:11 -0400 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: re; Double entry for 1881 Census I have Lucy Gallagher married Robert Kirkwood:- Sep.19th,1878. 1881 Census has her son at his grandmother's in Glasgow,also at another address in Paisley. Dwelling; 22 Victoria St.Glasgow. Volume 646-2 Enum,Dist.25 - Page 34. Mary SHERLOCK. age 46 - Ireland. -Seaman's Wife. James GALLOCHER age 24 - Ireland (Her Son from first marriage) Ship's Carpenter. Louis GALLOCHER age 4 - Gourock,Renfrew.(Grandson) Archd.KIRKWOOD age 4 -Glasgow,Lanark.(Grandson) Dwelling ;- Greenhill Rd. Paisley Middle Church,Renfrew. Volume 573 - Enum Dist. 42 - Page 20 Robert KIRKWOOD -age 28 - Paisley (Marine Engineer) Unemployed. Lucy KIRKWOOD - age 28 - Ireland.(Shopkeeper) Archibald WATSON - age 4 -Glasgow,Lanark (Stepson) Cissey WATSON - age 3 -Glasgow,Lanark (Stepdaughter) Jeanie HENDERSON - age 15 -Aberdeen (Servant) The child is the right age but the different names has me puzzled. I can,t find anything on Scotland's People. Any help would be appreciated! Catherine
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:28:22 +0100 From: "Archie Gilbert" <agilbert@clara.co.uk> To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LKS] re; Double entry for 1881 Census Catherine, Have you checked for Lucy's previou marriage to a Watson ? The Kirkwood child could be the husband's from a previous marriage too. Lucy and Robert must have married very soon after the demise of their late spouses. Too much of a coincidence ? Archie Gilbert, Kinross.
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:52:19 EDT From: KenHarrison11@cs.com To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: re; Double entry for 1881 Census Catherine, It can be only speculation, but it seems likely to me that: 1. Lucy was first married to a Mr. Watson 2. By him she had two children, Archibald about 1876/7, and Cissey about 1877/8 3. Mr. Watson died and Lucy married Robert Kirkwood 1878 4. On census night Archie was with his mother's parents, who gave him their new son-in-law's name 5. On census night, Archie was NOT with his mother, but was mistakenly included in the family because he "should" have been there. Hope this helps. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:12:55 -0500 From: Joy <beatsme@netins.net> To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LKS] Re: re; Double entry for 1881 Census With naming children being so common after ancestors, I'd just as likely suspect it was another grandchild with the same name. Happens often - I have branches of families where each generation has virtually the same given names, along with those of the spouse's family sprinkled among them. Not sure how they sorted it out at a family gathering with some of the names. Archie might have several cousins who are also Archies because that was grandfather's name. Just my take on it. Find the certs for the whole of the generation & riddle will hopefully be solved. Joy/USA
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:14:55 -0400 From: Catherine Lee <carsaig@shaw.ca> To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: re;Double Entry Thank you, to all who responded to my query. I,m still having some trouble finding a marriage between Lucy Gallagher and ??? Watson I,ll keep digging. Catherine