Just to show it was not all one way, here there is an exchange of information as John gives and receives some help from Janice Tilley in America in 2004.
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: omoa road
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 20:15:26 -0000
hello,
i have just read a reply of yours in rootsweb.com and was wondering if you are any relation
to the reynolds family that live in cleland if you are then please e-mail me back and
i will tell you where i fit in to your family ,
i have a jane reynolds in mine and she was married to robert kelly.
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 06:58:21 GMT
To: janice tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Subject: Re: omoa road
Message-Id: <VA.000001c5.0002bb43@compuserve.com>
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Reply-To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
Hi Janice,
on Sat, 3 Jan 2004 20:15:26 -0000 you wrote
> any relation to the reynolds family that live in cleland
Probably, though I am not acquainted with them.
All of my Reynolds connections (at least, the children of my
gg-grandparents excepting Ellen who died before her first birthday)
were in Omoa Square, Cleland in the census of 1891.
No.3 Ritchie & Mary Lafferty with 6 children
No.4 Catherine & Patrick Smyth with 5 children
No.34 Patrick & Sarah Carroll with 8 children
No.49 William & Ellen Connelly (his second wife) with 3 children
No.55 Jane & Robert Kelly with 9 children (not counting Ellen)
No.69 Francis & Rosina McDermott with daughter Ellen
No.71 John & Ellen McVey with 2 children
No.79 Sarah & Cornelius Houston with 7 children (not counting Sarah)
No.111 Joseph & Ellen McDermott with no children yet.
Also at No.98, there was Sarah, oldest child of Sarah and Cornelius
Houston with her husband of five months, John McCafferty.
Great-great-grandma Ellen was living in at McAuley's Property, Cleland,
with her granddaughter Ellen Kelly.
(You have no idea how pleased I was to find all this lot in one place!)
Ritchie and Mary (Lafferty) are my great-grandparents, they moved up to
the Shotts where their son Dick married Peg Dunne the school-teacher.
My father William was born there before the family moved to Westthorn
then Auchenshuggle.
I've not looked much further than the 1901 census into the other
branches.
We now live in Tollcross but the nearest I've ever been to Cleland is
passing through on the train.
I hope to hear from you.
John Reynolds
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: jane reynolds
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:04:30 -0000
=20=
hello again,
just thought i would let you know that i have the marriae certificate of helen mcinaley nee kelly and francis kennedy and helen parents are robert kelly and jane reynolds omoa square cleland if this information is any god to you let me know and i will e-mail the certificate to you
janice
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 06:54:35 GMT
To: janice tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Subject: Re: jane reynolds
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Reply-To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
Hi Janice,
on Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:04:30 -0000 you wrote
> let me know and i will e-mail the certificate to you
Yes please, I have Ellen's marriage to Thomas McInally (Dec 31, 1897 in
Cleland) but no information on any children. I am not actively pursuing
that line at the moment but it's all grist to the mill. (Though I'm
still wondering as to Jane's (nee Reynolds) whereabouts in the 1901
census - she was not at home, nor with any of her siblings, and Robert
did not claim to be a widower.)
I do have the marriage of Jane & Robert (1873) and births of their
children Patrick (1873), Ellen (1876, m 1897), Ann (1877), Robert (1879
in South Leith I think, no details yet), Catherine (1881 - 1896), Hugh
(1884), John (1886), William (1888), Joseph (1889) and Rose (1891 -
1894) if you want any of that.
John Reynolds
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: kelly's
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:07:09 -0000
hello josh,
thank you so very much for your information and please send me anything that you have on the kelly's and yes please on ellen and thomas, ellen on the certificate is spelt helen don't know if that is a mistake or what. ellen and thomas children i know were bernard born 12-07-1900 and mariah but unsure when she was born they were born in omoa square clelend.i know thomas died but when don't know, then she went on to marry my ggrandfather francis kennedy and have 2 more children, i have a hugh kelly who married jane jeffery don't know what date but they had a son robert kelly who was born 1910 and so on.
because i live in lincolnshire last summer was the first time that i have visited cleland etc and the first time i have met any of the relitives eg; bernard mcinally daughter and hugh kelly and ella kelly daughter of ellen ( nellie ) kelly , we had a lot to do in the short time that i was there and i am planning an other trip in august so information from any sorce is fantastic, hope that you got the certificate alright if not let me know and i will do it again.
thank you
janice
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:10:50 GMT
To: janice tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Subject: Re: kelly's
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Janice,
There is an attachment - KY-6-1.zip - 5441 bytes.
This will unzip to KY-6-1.doc which is in Word 6 format as exported
from WordPro ME. The content looks all right in WordPad (on Windows
98SE) though it has lost something in the layout department. I've no
idea what it will look like in Word (if that's what you use) as I don't
use that myself.
I also use Family Origins (v10) and can provide data for that program,
or as a gedcom if you use another genealogy program.
> ellen on the certificate is spelt helen don't know if that
> is a mistake or what.
They seem to be interchangeable depending on the whim of the person
registering the event or of the registrar if that person couldn't read
or write (still a problem for a lot of people at that time).
I've made a note of the other info you gave, it doesn't match anything
I have at the moment but who knows what I might come across in the
future.
> hope that you got the certificate alright
The file came across but seems to have a problem. My e-mail program
(which is quite old) didn't like the format. I tried PhotoShop 5LE,
Paint Shop Pro 8 and Irfanview but all they would give me was mostly
off-white with occasional narrow and very faint mauve or blue lines.
It's not necessary to resend the image, I'd be quite happy with a
transcription of the details recorded therein.
Josh
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From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: kelly
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:36:54 -0000
=20=
thank you josh,
fantastic information i have contact with a hugh kelly who is the great grandson of robert kelly and jane reynolds and he has said that there are two missing children from robert and jane family,
grace and francie or frank
don't know if they were born after 1901 but it could explain why jane wasn't on the census for 1901, also i have a old photo of the 7 kelly brothers if that is any use to you,
1 the hugh kelly i have contact with ;
his father was
2 robert kelly married ellen or helen higgins
his father was;
3 hugh kelly married jane jefferey
hugh kelly no 3 is one of the 7 brothers in the photo along with john , william, joseph, robert and so on
he died in malta in 1915 in ww1 have photo of grave
i am going to do a lot more digging and talking to the kelly,s i have contact with in cleland and and see if i can find out anything else that will help, i am going to cleland in august so fingers crossed, i also have a anna reynolds from omoa square that was the sponsor of my grandfather james kennedy date of baptism 1912, could be one of your reynolds, anyway thanks again for the information and let me know if you want the photo's
janice
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:02:14 GMT
To: janice tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Subject: Re: kelly
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Janice,
on Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:36:54 -0000 you wrote
> he has said that there are two missing children from robert and jane family,
> grace and francie or frank
I have only looked for the children who appear in the various census records,
but I see there is the birth of a Francis Kelly registered in 1893 and a Grace
Docherty Kelly in 1894, both in the West District of Shotts. I'll check the
details sometime though I have my doubts about that Grace, I can't see where
the Docherty comes from.
I suppose that means I'm looking for more missing people in 1901. <G>
How do I know these births are registered? I have an _index_ of all Kelly
births, deaths and marriages in the various Shotts districts between 1881 and
1899, extracted from the Scots Origins website a few years ago (about 70 in
total). I think I have identified those which are of interest to me but you may
have a wider interest. Would you like a copy? I have it in a spreadsheet (Lotus
1-2-3) but can export in various formats, including text.
> Also i have a old photo of
> the 7 kelly brothers if that is any use to you,
Thank you, I would be interested to see it, it must be a fine family
photograph. Do you have a date for it?
> i also have a anna reynolds from omoa
> square that was the sponsor of my grandfather james kennedy
> date of baptism 1912
No Anna in my list though I wouldn't worry too much about the exact spelling.
I do have -
Ann, born Mar 29, 1889, parents Patrick Reynolds & Sarah Carroll
Anne, born Apr 12, 1893, parents Joseph Reynolds & Ellen McDermott
Talking of Kennedys, my grandfather's sister Mary Reynolds married a John
Kennedy (parents Bernard Kennedy, Coal Miner (died before 1901) and Jane
Kennedy, m.s. Dickie) in 1901. They went off to the US in 1912/13. Any
connection with yours?
Josh
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: kelly 's
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:25:16 -0000
hello josh,
sorry its took me so long to reply but been having my computor updated and just got it back, i am sending you the photo sorry mistake there is only 6 brothers not 7 the only one i know for certain is francie and he is the one in the middle at the top.
please, thank you i would like the index.
any information on the kennedy's will be fantastic because i can't seem to get any on them bar what i have got so far , i have francis kennedy's parents as bernard kennedy and jane dickie and all i know is that he was dead when francis got married in 1909, so anything will be grateful, i am going to visit uddingston when i come up because the kennedy's came from there so i have been told fingers crossed for some luck, let me know if you get the photo ok
thanks
janice
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: kelly brothrs
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 19:06:47 -0000
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:50:25 GMT
To: janice tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Subject: Re: kelly 's
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Janice,
There is an attachment KellyInx.txt - 6011 bytes.
This will expand to two files,
1. KellyInx.txt - while your back was turned, I expanded the range,
still from 1882 but now births to 1903 and marriages & deaths to 1920.
The format is a tab-separated text file. The extreme right hand column
is my notes, YES means it's one of mine, CHECK means it's worth a look
up next time I get the chance and NO means it didn't match what I was
looking for.
2. KD-7-1.doc - John Kennedy and Mary Reynolds
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:25:16 -0000 you wrote
> i have francis kennedy's parents as bernard kennedy and jane dickie
It looks like we have a match there. The second file is what I have on
the Kennedys at the moment, not a lot. It became low priority once I
encountered difficulty finding the appropriate details.
hth
Josh
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 06:55:10 GMT
To: janice tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Bcc: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: kelly 's
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Janice,
I forgot to say thanks for the photo, it arrived safely.
Josh
From: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Reply-To: member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
Subject: Re: Re: kelly 's
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:50:18 +0100 (CET)
hello josh,
thanks for your e-mail but i can't read the kelly inx files is there any other way to send them to me. glad that you got the photo alright and hope it was some use to you, thanks for the kennedy information yes they are the same family
thanks janice
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:03:39 GMT
To: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Subject: Re: kelly 's
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Janice,
> i can't read the kelly inx files
Oops. That may be because I inadvertently used a different encoding
when I sent the message. I have reverted to the format of my original
attachment (and corrected the file name).
There is an attachment KellyInx.zip - 6011 bytes.
hth
Josh
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From: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Reply-To: member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
Subject: Re: Re: kelly 's
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:39:23 +0100 (CET)
hi josh,
thank you very much for that information i can now open it and it looks very interesting, i am having to look at my e-mails on my mums computor as mine has gone wrong and has had to go away to be looked at hopefully it won't be away to long, thanks again
hopefully talk to you soon
thanks janice
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: W found this thorought you might like it
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 10:05:04 +0100
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We lived at "Lilybank" Cottage No 63 Omoa Road Cleland in the county of Lanarkshire. My father Matthew Brown was born on the 26 July 1891 in New Stevenson near Bellshill. He was the eldest son of James Brown and Bridget Rooney. He married my mother on 31st December 1915 at St Mary's Church in Cleland. My mother Ellen Reynolds was the eldest daughter of Joseph Reynolds and Ellen McDermott. She was born on the 5th June 1892 in "The Square", Cleland (near to where the Corn Park football ground is today). I was born in Cleland and was the oldest of three boys my brothers were Richard Gerard (Gerry) and John Boyle. I had three older sisters, Ellen (Lena), Bridget (Etta) and Mary. My father's mother married twice her first husband was James Brown her second was Michael Ward. There were nine children in all seven Browns, Matthew, James, John, Richard, Mary, Jeannie, and Bridget (Beassie), and two Ward children Catherine (Kate)
and Annie. My mother Ellen had four sisters and three brothers, they were, Annie, Jane, Agnes and Rose, and Hugh, Patrick, and Richard. My father's brother John and his two sisters Kate and Annie, they emigrated to Australia in or about the year 1921. My earliest memories relate to my boyhood in Cleland a mining village in Lanarkshire where I was born on the 7th December 1924 at Lilybank Cottage, Omoa Road. They go back to the beginning of the thirties, when the country was in the grips of a terrible depression and disease. It was a time of hunger and the dole queue and begging in the
streets. The people of the village were of mining stock, families depended on the local pits and mines for their livelihood, but now most of these were closed or closing and the miners had to look elsewhere for work. My father had worked in The
Blackie pit in New Stevenson until the 1926 general strike. When the strike ended he was determined he would never work in coal pits again and so he went to seek work elsewhere. He like a lot of the local men had heard that The British Aluminium Company were erecting a factory for the making of Aluminium in Fort William in the highlands. He went there and managed to get work installing the hydro pipeline down the side of Ben Nevis. This when completed would provide the power for the new Works producing aluminium. He stayed there for a three years managing to get home every month. I surprised him many years later in the 1960s when I related to him a story about when I was very young. I remembered I was with my mother and we walked from a railway station, and then went up an outside stairway with iron railings, it was raining very hard and we were wet. I told him also that the train we had been on seemed to come out of the water. Firstly he didn't believe what I was telling him. I had described the place where he was in digs and that my mother had taken me to visit him in Fort William, this was in 1926. I was only 2 years old. When he came home from the highlands in about 1929 he was fortunate to get a job at the building of the new wing for the Hartwood Hospital (Asylum) near Shotts. Whilst he was there and I was about 9 or 10 years old he built me a barrow made from a set of pram wheels with an orange box
bolted to it with tram handles about three feet long and had a loop of fabric attached. Each Friday after school I had to take my barrow and go up Omoa Road to the Cross. Along Main Street to the Bellside Road and then up to the bridge on the Bellside Newmains road (A73) and from there take the Murdostoun Road to meet him about a mile from Shawstonfoot. He would be wheeling his bike as he had a bag of small coal slung across the crossbar, he had picked the coal from the surface workings of an old derelict mine. The bag was placed on the barrow. I got into the harness and set off for home. It was warm work and we had to stop frequently for rests. I did this every Friday in the summer holidays and on any other days if we were short of coal. There was little or no work for those men who remained in the village.
The coal owners had locked the pits and refused to take on workers until they all agreed they would never go on strike again. Only those who agreed to take a cut of a shilling per hour in their pay were taken back, men just hung about the cross, no work and no pay. Those lucky ones who had a job had to travel away from home, there was a great deal of poverty, as the wages were very low, all they got was about three shillings a day. They were indeed lucky if they brought home thirty shillings a week for six full days work and this to feed maybe six or seven children. It was a depressing place to live but we boys never experienced the really hard times, we were a part of it but we didn't know any better; as long as we got a penny at Christmas, Easter the summer holidays and Halloween we were happy. A penny trip on a tram car during the summer holidays from Airdrie to Paisley was a great adventure, even though we had to walk the five miles to Airdrie to get on to the tram. My brother Gerry had managed to get himself a job delivering the morning rolls around the village. The rolls were delivered to our house at about 6:30am each morning by the baker Tony Petkevitch from Craigneuk. We got two big baskets handed in to the house and the rolls had to be put into bags to be delivered to the various households. Gerry would take the Main Street and Parkside round and because I had to catch the bus to school in Motherwell I was given the easy Omoa Road and Chapel Street round. It was always a contest to see who could get finished the quickest. Sometimes my mother would come and give us a hand if we were running short of time. On the Friday evening after school we would go around and collect the money from the various customers who hadn't paid in the morning, many a time we had to go back the following week before we eventually got paid. The rolls were sold three for a penny so the weekly bill for a typical family was about one shilling and sixpence ( 71/2 P in today's money). Our pay for all of this was two shillings and sixpence for the week (Half a Crown) ( 12 1/2 P.). When you consider my father's pay for a weeks work was about 1-10 shillings, the half a crown was quite a handsome addition to the family income. Gerry was very much involved with Wilson's piggery across the viaduct over the Quarry Well. I have known him during his summer holidays to spend a whole night with an expectant sow, and he would remain with her in the sty until the piglets were born He would then come home tired out and go to bed after a good nights work, Gerry was probably only about ten or eleven years old when he was doing this and my mother always said he was going to be a Vet when he grew up, I am sure if the war hadn't come along that is the career he would have followed. About this time I was becoming aware of my father's involvement in local politics, it was 1935 and a General Election had been called. There were lots of important visitors to our house and I learned they were all members of a neo socialist organisation called the "Independent Labour Party". Jennie Lee a young school teacher from Lochgelly in Fife had been adopted as the ILP candidate to fight our North Lanark constituency. The sitting MP was Mr Anstruther Gray. Some of the visitors included, Jimmy Maxton (he had a hair do just like Hitler's), Jimmy Carmichael, Fenner Brockway, John Wheatley, Manny Shinwell, Harry McGhee (he was from Greenhill hamlet outside Cleland) and Nye Bevan. They were the leading Socialists of the day and made quite an impression on me. (They were all elected to the House of Commons in the Labour Victory just after the war in 1945). Every Friday after school I had to deliver about forty copies of the ILP's Newspaper "THE NEW LEADER". It was a four, page paper and always had stark and striking black and white caricatures on the front page. They depicted happenings in The Spanish Civil War, or The Japanese invasion of China, or Mussolini's invasion of Ethiopia, or Hitler's antics in Europe. One particular cartoon remains vivid in my memory it depicted a slant eyed skeleton like creature holding up a rifle with a fixed bayonet and a Chinese child impaled on the end of the bayonet. This had a very lasting effect on me. My father was Jenny Lee's Election agent and the committee had arranged an Election Rally up in Westwood Glen near the Newmains Road beyond Bellside. All the notables were there, and games and stalls were organised, The celebrity who came that day in support of Jenny Lee was the film star Constance Cummings. (She starred in the film Blithe Spirit by Noel Coward) a red headed lady who sang and spoke from a platform that had been erected in the Glen. Later that day she made a speech at Cleland Cross in support of Jennie Lee. On the day of the Election I remember some of my pals, boys and girls from the school running up and down Omoa Road singing, Vote, Vote, Vote for Jenny Lee Kick Anstruther up the pole We will find a penny gun And, we'll make the bugger run And we won't see Anstruther Gray any more Needless to say Jenny Lee was unsuccessful and that was the last election until after the war in 1945. My School Days I went to St Mary's primary school when I was four and a half and left there just before my 11th birthday. My teachers throughout the school were, Mrs McMaster infants teacher, Miss Annie Reynolds (my mother's sister), Miss Susan Ellis, Mrs Graham and Miss Annie Lavery. I don't remember a great deal about my early years at Cleland School I do however remember vividly my later years there. In my class were Arthur McConnachie, Francis Tamburrini, Joseph Cavannah, Michael Sammon Alex McCafferty, Joseph Henderson, John Mulhall (Ribbie), John Reynolds,(Minch), Patsy Mooney, Thomas Stewart, Danny Kane, Andy McNeil, James Lavery and Thomas Vallely, the girls Nan Currie, Elizabeth Slavin, Catherine O'Keane, Sarah Brady, Nellie Cassidy, Margaret Devlin, Mary Nolan, Mary Farrell, Catherine Mooney, Annie Reynolds and Lizzie Clarke. There were also boys and girls whose names I don't remember, who were orphans and lived in The Poor House. (Now Cleland Hospital), down the Bellside Road, they were always escorted to school were poorly dressed in Parish issue clothing, the boys wearing heavy boots and brown and grey herringbone tweed suits, the girls wore skirts and jackets of the same material. We were never allowed to mix too freely with these children, they were outcasts of the society as it was then. Even though they were happy days, we made our own enjoyment playing games in the street under a gas street lamp. In the wintertime it was common to see boys and girls of all ages playing "Peever" (now known as hop-scotch), or kick the "knacket" a variation of " hide and seek " a small tin can which was placed in the middle of the road and one boy or girl kept an eye over it and at the same time had to spy out the others who were hiding in all sorts of cover. Being able to run fast to free the " den " was absolutely essential. Another similar game called "Levoy" was only for the boys, it was a bit more rough and tumble and attracted the bigger boys, Joe Jordan, Racker Nolan and some others. These games went on until we were called home at about 8 o clock. I recall vividly how we were called home by my mother or my elder sister, they would come to the back door and call out our names to come home. If we didn't get home quickly we were in trouble and wouldn't get out the next night The young ones of all the other families were in the same boat and by 8.15 the street would be empty. In the Summertime the weather was so hot we played games in our bare feet and went swimming down The Calder ( we called it "The Cawther") at the bottom of The High Road, The hot weather caused the tar surface of the road to bubble and run and we got it all over the soles of our feet, we had to use butter to get the tar off, in the Winter the weather was very cold with plenty of snow and ice, most of the boys had ice skates and we used to skate to school. Behind The Hib's Hall was a pond which we used for skating when it froze over. Some of the older boys and parents would ensure that the ice was safe before we were allowed on to the ice. The Summers in those days were much earlier and warmer than they are today, The Winters were very long and bitterly cold starting in October and lasting to the following March. they were happy days An incident happened to me in 1935 which involved Mary Currie and one or two of our other neighbours including Mrs Daly and Nellie Henderson. It was a Friday afternoon probably early Summer May or June, my mother told me to go and get washed in the wash house which was out in the yard. (We also had an outside toilet which we shared with the Daly's ) The Wash House was a brick building with a door which was always unlocked, inside there were two wash stands with wooden tubs. Each stand had a wringer which fitted to the back of the stand and where it could be fed with washed clothes directly from the wash tub. The wringers were manually operated and were very effective for getting all the water out of the clothes. There was also a brick built structure which housed an iron boiler and which had a round cover with a handle. this cover was placed on top of the boiler to prevent any water bubbling up over the top and also I suppose to stop anything from falling in to the boiler. A coal fire in a grate below the boiler kept the water at or near to boiling. I went out to the wash house and climbed up on the edge of the boiler and was about to take my socks of when it happened. I really don't remember what happened but I must have let out a yell and I ran to our back door screaming. By the time I got there the neighbours
who heard my screams were also at the back door, they pulled the clothes off me and Mary Currie ran down to her shop and came running back with a bag of flour which she poured all over me. Seemingly I had fallen into the boiler and was severely burned. Someone went for The Doctor and he arrived very shortly after. He was very annoyed when he saw I was covered in flour. I was put to bed in a cage to prevent the bed clothes from touching the parts of my body which had been badly burned and were covered in large blisters. Doctor Lithgow treated me with a liquid spray from a scent spray, it had a rubber bulb and a long tube and a nozzle. By squeezing the bulb some liquid was sucked up and sprayed on the blisters. He came in every day and treated my wounds with the spray. I looked forward to him coming in and treating me as it took away the pain. I was in bed for over a month and I remember that I was wheeled to the Corn Park to see the school sports arranged to celebrate The Silver Jubilee of King George V. I like all the rest of the school children was given a New Penny a gift from the King. The treatment given to me was so effective that I bear no scars whatsoever as a result of the accident. On a sadder note a few days after this Margaret Brunton a girl about the same age as myself was cleaning the fireplace of her uncle's house and her apron caught fire, she ran out into Omoa road ablaze, someone rolled her in a blanket but her injuries were so severe she died that night. Across the yard from our house lived the Boyle family at the back of Big Frank and Lizzie Melons and Mary Currie's shop, they had a big family as was common in those days, I think they had about 9 or 10 children. James, John, Joseph, Patrick, and Vincent and Tom, Mary Magdalen, Elizabeth, Josephine, and Anne. ( They were an enterprising family the father Big Johnnie had a circular saw in the yard where he cut railway sleepers into logs and the older boys chopped them up into sticks to kindle the fire. The younger boys gathered the sticks into bundles and tied them with string. These sticks "firewood" were sold for a penny a bunch ). Incidentally the roads and streets in those days were completely free of motor traffic at night, except for the Midland bus which came along Omoa road every hour up to 9 pm, it travelled between Airdrie and Newmains coming via Chapelhall, Newarthill, Cleland and Newmains. There were no cars on the roads at night and during the daytime it was all horse drawn carts and vans such as The milkman Geordie Scott, The Co-op Baker "Rab" and Ramage's fruit van. Only three people in the village of Cleland had cars and these were used during the daytime a Morris 12 belonging to Father Dollan a Ford belonging to Mr Mann the Church of Scotland Minister, and a Ford 10 belonging to Mr Peter Tamburrini, affectionately know as "Peter the Tally", John Howley a cousin of my mothers was the driver of the priest's car. It was during these days that we boys were beginning to notice that girls in the class were a bit different from us, we were beginning to grow up, we had a few secrets to hide, making dates with the girls to meet them along the Carfin Road or the Newarthill Road. Sometimes in the Summer we would arrange to meet them down the Wishaw High Road near to the Calder burn at Swinstie or down the Wishaw Low Road at the bridge near to the old Mill and at Fisher's Cottage. Some of the girls were great fun to be with Nan Currie and Sarah Brady ( both girls died very young in their 'teens ) were particularly keen to join us for a walk in the warm Summer evenings or make arrangements to meet them at one of the Wishaw Cinemas in Kirk Road , The Plaza, The Main Street or The Green's Playhouse. The films of those days were real classics, starring Humphrey Bogart, Jimmy Cagney, George Raft, Rita Hayworth, Joan Crawford, and Bette Davis. Carmen Miranda was also a favourite amongst the older ones. Of course as I said before some of the boys including myself were keen footballers and played for the school football team. We were so good that even the bigger girls were keen to be seen supporting us at our various matches. Charlie Dobbins, the janitor of the school was a very strict man and his word was law, we all respected him immensely, he was a grumpy old figure. To all the school children he was a strict disciplinarian and never missed an opportunity to report any misbehaviour to the headmaster Mr Vallely. Charlie was also the school team manager and loved to take his boys to play football throughout the Lanarkshire Schools area, The boys I remember who played in the team regularly at that time were, Joe Henderson James Lavery Joe Brown Patsy Mooney Arthur McConnachie Joseph Donnelly Willie Delaney John Reynolds Paddy Nolan John Mulhall Robert Brunton These boys thought the world of Charlie they also brought credit and fame to the school and the village. I was one of the team at that time and we won most of the trophies we entered for, The Lanarkshire Schools cup, The Uddingston Rose Bowl Tournament and the Lanarkshire Catholic Schools League were all won in season 1935-36. Six boys of that team were picked to play in the trial match for the Scotland International team to play Wales at Tynecastle park in Edinburgh this trial of The West of Scotland Boys V The Rest of Scotland boys was played at Royal Albert's ground in Larkhall Hamilton. The six boys were Arthur MacConnachie (Centre Half), Joe Henderson (Goalkeeper), John Mulhall (Inside Right), James Carr (Right Half), Wee Paddy Nolan (Inside Left) and myself at Left Back. We all played with our Cleland St Mary's socks on, these were alternate bands of sky blue and gold. Arthur MacConnachie was a big lad he stood head and shoulders above all the rest of us and he was the only one picked to play for Scotland in the 1937 team. We were all proud that one of ours had been picked for Scotland. Charlie Dobbins hired Lamont Watsons bus and took all the team and the new Headmaster Mr Docherty and his assistant Mr McConville to Tynecasltle that day, needless to say Scotland won the match 2-1. ( In the summer of 1935 I and about ten pupils from Cleland went to Motherwell and sat the Entrance Examination for "The Motherwell Higher Grade School" Out of the ten, six girls, Elizabeth Slavin, Nan Currie, Sarah Brady, Catherine O'Keane, Annie Reynolds and Lizzie Clark, and four boys Joseph Cavanagh, Francis Tamburrini, Thomas Vallely and myself were successful. We had to start our new school in August that year, Liz Slavin and Thomas Vallely were brighter than the rest of us and they started in class 1a all the others went to Classes 1b and 1c. It was whilst I was at Motherwell in my second year that the name of the school was changed from "Motherwell Higher Grade " to "Our Lady's High School " our uniform was also changed from Green and Gold to Royal Blue with white piping. I recall that day when the school was dedicated to "Our Lady". We all assembled in our classes in the Quadrangle and Canon Doyle who had previously been Parish Priest in Cleland took the service and gave the school its new name. He together with the Rector Mr Tom Lynch appeared on the East Balcony where a veiled statue had been erected. The cords were pulled to reveal a lifesize grey stone figure of The Madonna and child. Prayers of dedication were said and after the service we were treated to a party in the common rooms. The present Cardinal Archbishop of Glasgow Thomas Winning was a pupil in Class 1a of my entry year. I met him many years later when he was Archbishop of Glasgow at a reception for my Cousin Sister Martha who was celebrating sixty years as a nun in the order of St Francis. The reception was held in the Convent at No 19 Park Circus Glasgow. I spoke to him about our days together in Motherwell but he never remembered me. Some of the teachers I had at Motherwell were :- Mr P.Walsh Class Teacher, Mr Miles McCann, Mr H. Naughton (Games), Miss Grillo (French), Miss Gallagher (Science).Mr Hughes (Maths) Mr Glegg (Science) ) Omoa Road and Main Street were the two main thoroughfares through the village and where they met they formed Cleland Cross. Omoa Road went in a westerly direction downhill past the Kirk, to Paddy McKeown' s barber's shop. Also from the Cross, the Main Street ran north passing Fuller Fergies barber's shop, the road down to Louden's Saw Mill the Miners Welfare, the Co-operative store, Bob Davie's butchers shop, The Commercial Bank, and McMillan's pub then to the junction of Biggar Road and Bellside Road at the railway bridge.on the other side of the road, was John Mackies grocer's shop, Pattersons building, Leezie Love's shop, The Tartan Building and Joe the Tally's, the Public School the Post Office and Baxters Garage. Going south from the cross was Peter the Tally's, Top Smith's grocers shop, Jimmy Allen's bakery, Maggie Johnstone's sweetie shop, a row of cottages and a two storey building,the railway bridge and the junction of the Wishaw Low and High Roads. On the other side was Collins' house, Johnnie McMullens , St Mary's presbetry then the church and the billiard hall (burned down about 1936), Brunton's cottage and the Castle Bar pub at the Cross. The Castle Bar, a pub much frequented by men of the village particularly on Friday nights. Visits to the pub during the week were very rare as there was little money around and few men worked. Most days miners and their unemployed cronies were to be seen at the cross sitting on their hunkers gossiping and putting the world to right. It was a common sight after 9 O'clock on a Friday (closing time) evening to see maybe a dozen or so drunken men staggering their way home from the pub. Always the same
faces, we got to know them by their nick names and sometimes in the long summer evenings we boys would gather near the cross to watch the goings on between the police and those who were the worse for wear in their drunken stupor, they called out abuses to anyone who came near, and always their language was colourful. It was usual for the Sergeant of Police and a constable to make at least one arrest and march the offender down past Peter the Tallys to the Police Station where they would spend the night in the cells. Always next morning they would be released without charge, promising to behave until the next Friday night. Sometimes we would push the swing doors of the Pub open so that we could have a better look inside to see what was going on.
There were no tables other than a card table where some men played Dominoes or Fat a card game popular amongst the Cleland miners, The bar was the full length of the room and the barman Mick Brennan, had a long white apron which had a bib and ties which tied behind his back. On the floor throughout the room were spitoons where tobacco chewing miners vented their mouths with the foul tobacco juice. Spitoons were round receptacles made of steel and enamelled in white with a blue rim, they were about nine inches in diameter with a removable insert which the pub cleaner had to wash out under a running tap in the yard at the back of the pub. Disinfectant was never used only sawdust was sprinkled on the floors as this was the only means of keeping the floors dry from beer spillage and the missed aims at the spitoons. The Public bar was lighted by gas mantles and paraffin lamps. These were mainly used when it got dark particularly in the Winter time. The gas pressure was so low at times the lights would fail getting dimmer and dimmer the more lights that came on. Women were completely forbidden to enter the pub, except when they had to identify their menfolk. Next to the pub was a house which later became a sweetie shop and then a newsagents, later still the newsagent Jimsey Keeveney (Cavannah) had erected an old railway goods van on a spare piece of land in front of Bruntons house, this was the only newspaper shop in the village. Cranston's Cottage was next and then The Dalrymple Bar a pub set back off the road just before the Dandy Row ,The Kirk with a tin steeple. Paddy McKeown's Barbers was next to the Kirk. Paddy was a little round fat man who when he cut your hair his fat belly was pressed into your face, he was always cracking jokes and at times he would frighten the life out of you by opening up a razor and flick it up and down on a razor leather strop. I personally was always glad when the ordeal was over to get out of the barbers chair. The shop was also used by men of the village who would come to place their horse racing bets with Mick McConnachie the bookie. Behind Paddy's shop Bob Davie had his slaughter house before he moved up to Main Street near the bank. The road went on past St Mary's school gate, Jordan's house and Casserley's to Mickie Daly's at the junction of Gibb Street, then on down the hill passing the Hibs hall, and Mrs McGlinchy's shop. Hendersons Cottage and our house "Lilybank". were on the opposite side of the road and Mary Curries sweetie shop stood at the corner of the Stable Row. From here there was a two storeyed house and then a row of miner's cottages with access to the Cockyard, then came the Band Hall and Stewarts Cottage. Opposite the miners row stood the Brick Building where Maggie Heron had her shop and behind the building were the remains of The Square and Pottery. The road continued to Lower and Upper Ravenshall and as far as Stevensons big house at the crossroads of the Newarthill Road , Carfin Road and the track into Dick Marshalls Farm. On the opposite side going down from the cross there was a long row of miner's cottages with their doors onto the pavement. I cannot recall any families who lived in these cottages. Where the cottages ended there was a dirt lane called Scott's Close running back at an angle and this came out between Leezie Loves sweetie shop and the Tartan building on the Main Street. ( it got the name Tartan from the coloured bricks used for the building Red and Yellow). After the entry to Scotts Close came Carrickvale a fairly large two storeyed building which accommodated about eight families. Charlie Dobbins and his sister Mary lived at the front next to Kelly's and Lafferty's. Also living there at that time was Dominic Nolan's family which included the above wee Paddy probably one of the best footballers ever to come out of Cleland. They lived at the side of Carrickvale just behind Bean Kelly's. Round the back lived another Nolan "Paddy The Racker", (no relation to the above family ), his wife had died probably in childbirth when all his family were very young the oldest being Patrick aged about 16. There were other families living in Carrickvale including Joseph Lafferty and his sister Vera. At the side of Carrickvale opposite the Dandy Row a new road of red ashes was built to give access to the public park when it was opened to celebrate the Silver Jubilee of King George the V in May of 1935. Frank Fisher who was the lamplighter for the village up to that time became the caretaker for the park when Electricity came to Cleland in 1934-35. the previous lamplighter was a much older man called Tam Johnstone, we boys and girls used to run after him as he went about Omoa Road lighting the gas lamps. The gas lamps were put out about eleven O'clock each night and in the Wintertime were lit again at about 6 O'clock each morning. Just past the entrance to the Public Park, was Aitken's fish shop it was always full of fresh fish from Aberdeen and the East Coast fishing ports but not many people could afford to buy it. The tradition in those days was that fish particularly in Catholic homes was eaten on Fridays no meat was allowed. Only the better off families could afford fish from Aitkens it was just too expen
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:22:36 +0100
To: janice tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Subject: Re: W found this thorought you might like it
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Thanks Janice,
I don't do much web searching so would not have come across this on my
own. It looks interesting though it will take some time to digest.
I have the birth of Ellen to Joseph and Ellen McDermott (albeit a year
earlier) so can now add a few details to that. I don't have a Rose, I
hope she was the youngest.
Joseph's brother Francis married Ellen's sister Rosina McDermott and
I've heard a rumour that a third brother married a third sister.
Haven't found that one yet but John Reynolds was a widower in 1901 so
there's hope yet.
Thanks again
Josh
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: Fw: More Info
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:45:04 +0100
----- Original Message -----
From: CthKell@aol.com
To: janice@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:39 AM
Subject: More Info
Hello Janice
Here's the some of the info you asked for.
GRO ref 655/3 11
Sarah Ann Kelly born on 19 December 1874, 5pm, at no 14 Omoa Square.
Father: Robert Kelly, Carter at Colliery
Mother: Jane Kelly m/s /Reynolds
Married July 14 1873 at Wishaw
Informant: Jane x Kelly, mother (witnessed by Alex Paterson, ass registrar)
Birth was registered on 7 January 1875
GRO ref 655/3 80
Francis Kelly born on 22 May 1893, 1am, at no 45 Omoa Square.
Father: Robert Kelly, Coalminer
Mother: Jane Kelly m/s /Reynolds
Married July 14 1873 at Wishaw
Informant: Robert Kelly, father
GRO ref 655/3 65
Grace Docherty Kelly born on 9 June 1894 at 8pm, at no 16 Omoa Square.
Father: Robert Kelly, Coalminer
Mother: Jane Kelly m/s /Reynolds
Married July 14 1873 at Wishaw
Informant: Jane x Kelly, mother (witnessed by ? Somerville, ass registrar)
GRO ref 655/3 41
Catherine Kelly, single, died on 18 August 1896, at 7 am, at no 61 Omoa Square, West Dist of Shotts.
Father: Robert Kelly, Coalminer
Mother: Jane Kelly m/s /Reynolds
Cause: Acute bronchitis
Acute meningitis 9 days
Informant: Robert Kelly, father
GRO ref 655/3 30
On the 15 day of November, at the Roman Catholic Chapel, Cleland, after Banns Publication according to the forms of the Roman Catholic Church
Charles Wardlaw, coal miner, bachelor, aged 20
of No 10 Ravenshall Cottages, Cleland
Father: John Wardlaw, Blacksmith, deceased
Mother: Mary Ann Wardlaw m/s McCusker, deceased
Grace D Kelly, Pottery Worker, spinster, aged 18
of 136 Omoa Road, Cleland
Father: Robert Kelly, general labourer
Mother: Jane Kelly m/s Reynolds
Witnesses: Archibald Kelly
Barbara x Kelly
Death
1916 Charles Wardlaw age 24 132/AF 0196 Service & War Returns
Sent some of the census as an attachment on last e-mail.
Kate
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: Fw: Patrick Kelly
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 19:45:23 +0100
----- Original Message -----
From: CthKell@aol.com
To: title=janice@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 1:04 AM
Subject: Patrick Kelly
Descendants of Patrick Kelly
Generation No. 1
1. PATRICK3 KELLY (ROBERT2, ROBERT1) was born July 17, 1873 in Cleland, and died March 31, 1926 in 97 Newarthill Road, Carfin. He married MARY MULLAN June 3, 1901 in Faughanvale, Londonderry, Ireland, daughter of EDWARD MULLIN and ROSE DOHERTY. She was born April 2, 1878 in Bolie, Faughanvale, Ireland, and died February 6, 1940 in Thorndene Avenue, Carfin.
Notes for PATRICK KELLY:
Married in the Roman Catholic Chapel of St. Mary, Faughanvale, in the district of Eglinton, County Derry. Age given as full and occupation labourer. Residence at time of marriage, Glasgow. Fathers occupation, labourer. Witnesses were George Doherty and Catherine Mullan. In 1924, at the time of his mothers' death, he gives his address as 5 Chapel Road, Carfin.
More About PATRICK KELLY:
Census: 1901, 9 Thomsons Square, Low Main Street, Cambusnethan, Wishaw
Occupation: 1901, Coal Miner
Notes for MARY MULLAN:
Birth registered in Ballykelly, district of Limavady. Age at marriage given as full. Occupation, seamstress. Her address given only as Faughanvale. Fathers occupation, labourer.
Cause of death; chronic bronchitis
Children of PATRICK KELLY and MARY MULLAN are:
i. JANE4 KELLY, b. April 4, 1903, 145 Omoa Square, Cleland; d. March 27, 1923, Bellerophon Row Carfin; m. DANIEL MULLEN, April 21, 1922, Holytown; b. 1898. (Daniel Mullen no relation)
More About JANE KELLY:
Cause of Death: Acute pulmonary phtisis
ii. MARY KELLY, b. October 7, 1906, Spindleside, W Dist Shotts; d. February 17, 1908, 16 Silverburn, Newarthill.
More About MARY KELLY:
Cause of Death: Nephritis 1 month, pulmonary congestion 14 days, heart failure
2. iii. EDWARD MULLEN KELLY, b. December 13, 1908, 17 Silverburn, Newarthill, Motherwell; d. March 1, 1975, Newarthill, Motherwell.
3. iv. ELIZABETH KELLY, b. December 27, 1911, Church Street, Newarthill; d. June 3, 1988, Newarthill, Motherwell.
v. ROBERT KELLY, b. January 24, 1914, 127 Omoa Road; d. January 24, 1914, 127 Omoa Road.
More About ROBERT KELLY:
Cause of Death: Premature
4. vi. SARAH JANE KELLY, b. January 23, 1915, 69 Omoa Road, Cleland;
d. February 2, 1985, Law Hospital, Carluke.
vii. CATHERINE KELLY, b. June 4, 1917, 69 Omoa Road, Cleland; d. February 2, 1918, Omoa Road, Cleland.
More About CATHERINE KELLY:
Cause of Death: Bronchial catarrh 1 month, acute gastritis 14 days
viii. JAMES KELLY, b. January 3, 1920, 69 Omoa Road, Cleland; d. April 22, 1939, 7 Thorndene Avenue, Carfin.
ix. PATRICK KELLY, b. January 3, 1920, 69 Omoa Road, Cleland; d. January 24, 1943 Middle East.
Notes for PATRICK KELLY:
Grave can be seen of the WGC site
Seaforth Highlanders Pte. 3194136.
Generation No. 2
2. EDWARD MULLEN4 KELLY (PATRICK3, ROBERT2, ROBERT1) was born December 13, 1908 in 17 Silverburn, Newarthill, Motherwell, and died March 1, 1975 in Newarthill, Motherwell. He married MARGARET O'HARE August 15, 1940 in Glasgow, daughter of JOHN O'HARE and MARGARET CONNELLY. She was born March 21, 1908 in Mossend, and died November 17, 1993 in Kirkcaldy.
3. ELIZABETH4 KELLY (PATRICK3, ROBERT2, ROBERT1) was born December 27, 1911 in Church Street, Newarthill, and died June 3, 1988 in Newarthill, Motherwell. She married PETER MCDEVITT June 28, 1941 in Holytown.
4. SARAH JANE4 KELLY (PATRICK3, ROBERT2, ROBERT1) was born January 23, 1915 in 69 Omoa Road, Cleland, and died February 2, 1985 in Law Hospital, Carluke. She married WILLIAM FEENEY in Ireland.
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: reynolds info
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 22:27:27 +0100
hi josh,
didn't know if i was doing right by sending you things but i am glad i did now, i am in contact with patrick kellys grandsons wife ( hope that makes sence ) and she has given me some new details so i have passed them on hope that is ok as they are your family aswell, as you will see another child has arisen of robert and jane sarah ann kelly that nobody knew about and she confirmed francis and grace's details , if you didn't get them let me know
janice
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:53:29 +0100
To: janice tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Subject: Re: reynolds info
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Janice,
Thanks again.
Thanks for the other two messages, there is some interesting stuff
there. My Kelly family was not as complete as I had thought, I'll have
to look for an explanation why Sarah Ann is not in the 1881 census, I
fear an early death is the most likely reason. It would seem I should
have started my systematic index if Kelly events a little earlier.
Thanks again.
Josh
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:53:01 +0100
To: Janice Tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Bcc: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: More Kelly marriages
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Janice,
A couple of weeks ago I received a message from ScotlandsPeople saying
that my February searches might have returned incomplete results and I
should revisit the site and view corrected results.
So, herewith, some additional Kelly marriages in Shotts between 1900
and 1920. (The format should be the same as the index I sent in
February.)
1909 SHOTTS (WEST) 655/03 0017 M F KELLY HELEN
KENNEDY FRANCIS
1911 SHOTTS (WEST) 655/03 0023 M M KELLY THOMAS BEWS
TOMIMA
1912 SHOTTS (WEST) 655/03 0030 M F KELLY GRACE D
WARDLAW CHARLES
1913 SHOTTS (WEST) 655/03 0001 M M KELLY WILLIAM
LARKIN CATHERINE
1914 SHOTTS (NORTH) 655/04 0014 M M KELLY THOMAS AGNEW
SIME JESSIE BELL
1920 SHOTTS (WEST) 655/03 0002 M F KELLY JANET
MCINNES WILLIAM
There is at least one there of interest.<g>
Josh
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: kelly family
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:53:39 +0100
hi josh,
thank you for that information , i have had contact with patrick kellys grandsons wife ( if that makes sence ) i can't
remember if i sent you the info that she gave me it was very interesting as she has another of robert and janes children
sarah ann kelly 19 december 1874 at 14 omoa square but she dosn't know what happened to her maybe she died very
young, if i didn't send it to you let me know there is quite a lot and i will send it on to you i will forward all she has sent, did
you enjoy reading that article i sent on
well thats all for now
thanks janice
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 06:56:18 +0100
To: janice tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Bcc: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: kelly family
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Janice,
on Sat, 29 May 2004 16:53:39 +0100 you wrote
> i can't remember if i sent you the info that she gave me
You did forward two messages from Kate Kelly which are indeed
interesting but I haven't done anything with them yet. Too many other
things on hand at the moment.
> did you enjoy reading that article i sent on
I did indeed.
Thanks again
Josh
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: info on the kelly's
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:42:36 +0100
Hello josh,
Just got back from my visit from Scotland and have collected some information, if you already have some of it then I apologise if not then it is good news.
Jane Kelly nee Reynolds was a trained midwife and went to edingborough to train that is why their son Robert was born in south leith.
I will send you some other stuff that will explain this next bit.
Sarah Kelly died after giving birth to ellen Kelly not Catherine.
Robert Kelly (Robert and jane Reynolds son ) 1st wife died her name was sarah mount ( sarah above) he then married jane brelsford who was a Belfast prodestant, Robert was killed and she took her unborn son Robert back to Belfast he went on to have 9 children
( have yet to find out ).
William Kelly ( Robert and jane Reynolds son ) married kate larkin, william died and kate went to live in Canada with their
children
1, Roseanne who now lives in Middlesex England
2, ellen m jo selena
3, Katherine dead
4, annie m -------- cannon
5, mary dead m --------- Collins
6, jane
7, gracie dead
francis Kelly ( son of Robert and jane ) birth cir no h 23299 born at 45 omoa road
died 7-8-1972 at coatbridge . he married agnes keenan 1928 rc church motherwell / bellshill
children
1, anna b 1932 illegitimant child of a nieghbour
2, frances b 1935
both died 1937 from measles,mumps, whooping cough and scarlet fever both died within a fortnight of each other, buried
at airble cem motherwell.
3, agnes b 22-10-1938 still alive living in motherwell. Agnes mother agnes Kelly nee keenan died march 1941 and agnes
was brought up by her mothers sister Katherine duffy nee keenan.
Joseph Kelly ( son of Robert and jane ) married mary eaton
Children
1, annie m john mcgowan
2, frances
3, josephene m tommy woods
4, jane m peter burke or burt , moved to Canada
john Kelly (son of jane and Robert ) married Maryanne glass
children
1, jane
2, kate
3, joseph
4, William
5, john
gracie Kelly ( Robert and janes daughter ) married charles wardlaw
children
1, Maryanne
2, kate
then gracie went on to marry james Heyburn
children
1, Maggie m Johnny marshall
2, jane m david gilchirst
3, francis
4, ellen m charley lavery
also do you have a francis Reynolds died 16-1-1966 aged 68 married to agnes brawley and daughter Helen died 23-1-1995 aged 56 if you have and it is the same people then I have a pichure of their gravestone in new Stevenson cem,
I hope this is of some use to you I found a lot of stuff this year also on john kennedy and his family some of which I have to check out but it looks promising,
I will send 2 more e-mails to you that I have received from kate I have already sent you some of her stuff,
Hope to hear from you soon
janice
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 06:59:19 +0100
To: janice tilley <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Bcc: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: info on the kelly's
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Janice,
Thanks for those three messages, all grist to the mill, I can look
forward to several hours trying to piece the bits together. At this
rate, I'll soon know more about the Kellys than about than about the
Reynoldses.
> Also do you have a francis Reynolds died 16-1-1966 aged 68 married
> to agnes brawley and daughter Helen died 23-1-1995 aged 56 if you
> have and it is the same people then I have a pichure of their
> gravestone in new Stevenson cem,
I have a Francis Reynolds, son of Francis (Jane's brother) and Rosina
McDermott, born April 6, 1897, so he would be about the right age but I
don't know who he married. I'll look for Helen's birth which will give
her parents marriage, that will give her grandparents and then I'll
know who's who. I'll do that when I can find the time. (I said that
about some data you sent me three months ago and I still haven't
finished dealing with that. <G>)
Thanks again
Josh
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From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: Fw: Kelly Marriages & Deaths
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:45:02 +0100
----- Original Message -----
From: title=CthKell@aol.com href="mailto:CthKell@aol.com"CthKell@aol.com
To: title=janice@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk href="mailto:janice@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk"janice@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: Kelly Marriages & Deaths
Marriages
GRO REF 655/3 23
At RC Chapel Cleland on 9 August 1901
Andrew Keenan aged 25, Colliery Stoker to Annie Kelly aged 24 of 54Omoa Road.
GRO REF 655/3 28
At RC Chapel Cleland on 15 July 1910
John Kelly aged 23, coalminer of 54 Omoa Road to Mary Agnes Glass aged 18 of 36 Omoa Road.
GRO REF 655/3 1
At RC Chapel Cleland on 31 December 1913
William Kelly aged 24, coalminer of 146 Omoa Road to Catherine Larkin aged 18
of 51 Omoa Road.
Witmesses were John & Mary Agnes Kelly
GRO REF 655/3 2
At RC Chapel Cleland on 31 December 1913
Joseph Kelly aged 23, coalminer of 67 Omoa Road to Mary Eaton aged 23
of 147 Omoa Road.
Deaths
GRO REF 625/2 84
At Ravenshall, Cleland on 7 June 1935
John Kelly aged 48, Coalminer (Hewer), married to Mary Agnes Glass She died in 1965.
GRO REF 625/2 64
At Loudons Building, Cleland on 5 July 1910
Robert Kelly aged 30, Coalminer married to (1) Sarah Mount.
(2) Jane Brelsford
Informant; John Kelly of 54 Omoa Square.
GRO REF
At 101 Omoa Road on 14 December 1905
Sarah Kelly aged 23, married to Robert Kelly. She died 8 days after giving birth to their daughter Catherine on 6 December
1905. He had married her on 18 November 1904. Robert married his 2nd wife on 29 December 1909.
GRO REF 562 349
At Coatbridge Hospital on 7 August 1972
Francis Kelly aged 79, brusher (pit), widower of Agnes Keenan
Usual address: 34 Millbrae Avenue, Muirhead
Informant: Agnes Kelly, daughter of 59a Chapel Street, Airdrie
Found 3 service returns for Hugh Kelly, but don't know if any of them are our man.
From: "janice tilley" <janicet@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: Fw: Grace Kelly
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:45:21 +0100
----- Original Message -----
From: title=CthKell@aol.com href="mailto:CthKell@aol.com"CthKell@aol.com
To: title=janice@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk href="mailto:janice@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk"janice@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:33 PM
Subject: Grace Kelly
Grace Kelly
GRO REF 655/3 155
Catherine Wardlaw born 30 August 1913 at 122 Omoa Road, Cleland.
Father: Charles x Wardlaw, coal miner
Mother: Grace Docherty Wardlaw m/s Kelly
GRO REF 655/3 111
Mary Ann Wardlaw born 24 December 1915 at 122 Omoa Road, Cleland.
Father: Charles x Wardlaw, coal miner (Private 4th battallion Dublin Fusiliers)
Mother: Grace Wardlaw m/s Kelly
Service & War Returns
1916 Charles Wardlaw 132/AF 0196
GRO REF 655/3 12
On the 3rd February 1922 at Colville Memorial UF Manse, Cleland, after banns according to the forms of the Roman Catholic
Church
James Heyburn aged 39, coalminer, widower of 147 Omoa Road, Cleland
Father: John Heyburn, Ironworker, deceased
Mother: Mary Jane Heyburn m/s McAuley, deceased
to
Grace Kelly or Wardlaw aged 27, widow of 122 Omoa Road, Cleland
GRO REF 655/3 95
Francis Heyburn born 22 August 1924 at 122 Omoa Road, Cleland
Father: James Heyburn, Coal miner
Mother: Grace Heyburn formerly Wardlaw m/s Kelly
GRO REF 655/3 48
Jane Heyburn born 25 April 1926 at 122 Omoa Road, Cleland
Father: James Heyburn, Coal miner
Mother: Grace Heyburn formerly Wardlaw m/s Kelly
GRO REF 655/3 9
Margaret Heyburn born 22 January 1929 at 122 Omoa Road, Cleland
Father: James Heyburn, Coal miner
Mother: Grace Heyburn formerly Wardlaw m/s Kelly
GRO REF 655/3 65
Ellen Theresa Heyburn born 28 October 1932 at 122 Omoa Road, Cleland
Father: James Heyburn, Coal miner
Mother: Grace Heyburn formerly Wardlaw m/s Kelly
Did you notice the witnesses on Grace's marriage to Charles Wardlaw. I looked it up, but Archibald Kelly's (no relation) wife
Barbara is the sister of Charles Wardlaw.
From: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: joshreynolds@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: more info
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:13:48 +0200 (CEST)
hi josh,
hope that you are ok and still doing your family tree, i have joined scotlands people what a fantastic site got loads of info on my mckie's going back to 1806 but then it goes to ireland not having much luck on that bit never mind. got a fair bit on my kennedy's and kelly's thanks to your info that you gave me thank you, was reading the stuff you gave me on john kennedy and mary reynolds and at the bottom it say's that it left you wondering about the age gap between mary aged 11 and jane aged 4, i have found another daughter jane , death of jane kennedy aged 5 weeks july 1903 parents john kennedy and mary reynolds , death was registered in the parish of dalziel is this any help to you.
i think why i can't find much on the kennedy's is that they came over from antrim ireland and am not sure that they went back or not having a lot of trouble trying to locate them on census or deaths i have found one poss but am trying to see if it my family or not they were in old monkland .
hope this make's sense to you and hope it help's with john and mary's child never know might find more
janice
From: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: joshreynolds@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: hello
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:33:04 +0200 (CEST)
hi josh,
i was wondering if you got my e-mail ok not sure if you are on holiday or not and that was why you hadn't replyed
hope to hear from you soon
janice
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:48:24 +0100
To: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Bcc: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@Tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: hello
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@Tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Janice,
My apologies. I did receive your email but was distracted by other
things at the time and forgot to reply.
Thanks for the info on the other Jane, the usual sad story. I have made
a note to look her up and will check for other infant deaths when I get
the chance.
I have done very little on the Reynolds/Kennedy side over the winter. A
third cousin on my mother's side appeared out of the internet late last
year and I had to tie up a lot of hanging loose ends on that side in a
hurry to give him something to work on. He seems quite pleased with the
result, particularly as I was able to find several photographs of his
grandmother's siblings. In the process, I discovered that we have very
few photos on the Reynolds side. Quite disappointing.
Anyway, Thanks for the info, I will try to communicate in a more timely
manner in future.
Josh
From: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: joshreynolds <joshreynolds@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: kennedy info america
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:10:39 +0200 (CEST)
hi josh
i have come across john kennedy and mary reynolds 1920 census in illinios, which has 2 more children on it agnes
and john jr would you like me to e-mail you a copy of the census, they were still in the same place in 1930 but i have been
unable to get a copy as yet.
hope to hear from you janice
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:23:30 +0100
To: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Bcc: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@Tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: kennedy info america
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@Tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Janice,
> i have come across john kennedy and mary reynolds 1920 census
> in illinios, which has 2 more children on it agnes and john jr
> would you like me to e-mail you a copy of the census,
Thank you, I would be very grateful.
I haven't managed any work on the ancestors this summer. No sooner had
life got back to normal after my father's knee replacement than he
suffered a slight stroke. Definitely minor on any scale of such things
but there is some slight physical impairment and he did suffer periods
of confusion in the immediate aftermath (especially while in hospital)
which makes us all nervous about leaving him unattended for any length
of time. It fair puts a cramp on my free and easy life style.
However, he is keeping well which is the important thing.
So, thanks again for the offer, and apologies for having nothing to
offer in return. <G>
Josh
From: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: joshreynolds@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: kennedy info
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:07:19 +0200 (CEST)
hi josh
please let me know if you get this ok as i am learning how to send attachments on my new computor janice
From: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: joshreynolds@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: kennedy info
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:51:37 +0200 (CEST)
hi josh
sorry to confuse you but don't know if the first e-mail i sent got through having trouble with it so i am trying again
janice
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:21:31 +0100
To: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Bcc: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@Tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: kennedy info
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@Tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Janice,
You wrote:
> sorry to confuse you but don't know if the first e-mail i
> sent got through having trouble with it so i am trying again
> janice
Both messages arrived
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:07:19 +0200 (CEST)
> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:51:37 +0200 (CEST)
Sorry for the delay in replying, my email collections are a bit erratic
at the moment.
Josh
From: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
To: joshreynolds@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: census trouble
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:29:59 +0200 (CEST)
hi josh
i am sorry but i don't think that my attachments got through, i have upgraded my computor to xp and was having
trouble sending any attachments so my friend said it would be easy if i sent the e-mail with the census on to you so the
next 2 e-mails you get will be the 1920 and 1930 census you just have to open the attachments ok. and don't worry about
having anything in return ,hope your dad get well soon
janice
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:40:31 +0100
To: janice tilley <member@jtilley.fsworld.co.uk>
Bcc: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@Tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: census trouble
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@Tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Janice,
You wrote:
> so the next 2 e-mails you get will be the 1920 and 1930 census
Many thanks, they arrived safely and are reasonably legible though I
see the US enumerators' handwriting is no better than that of the
Scottish ones. <G>
I'll have a pleasant couple of hours deciphering what it all means.
Thanks again
Josh