John helped Nancy by looking up her ancestors in his Glasgow sources, Government offices, Libraries, etc.
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 05:45:15 -0800
From: Nancy <nancyt@foxinternet.com>
To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [LKS] Double recordings
>I've also found a double recording and I really don't know if either
>one of the recordings is actually my grandmother.
Information that I have is that my grandmother, Jean (Anne/Violet???)
McLelland was born July 8, 1898. Her father's name was David and
her mother's maiden name was Turnbull. When doing LDS research of
1898 I found, according to the Index of Birth for Scotland in 1898
Janet Smith Green McLelland was registered at following parishes:
Calton Glasgow (681) and also Shettleston (355). Both these parishes
are:Calton (1855-1906) in the county of Lanark (Parish #644/4) and
Shettleston (1875-1912) in the county of Lanark (Parish #622/2)
This information showed me "2" parishes -but - it also showed a
different name than my grandmothers. My grandmother died at an early
age and her only living daughter was 6 at the time and knows very
little.
Could someone check for me to see if either of these record could be
my grandmother?
Thank you,
Nancy
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 06:55:19 GMT
To: nancy <nancyt@foxinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [LKS] Double recordings
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Nancy,
> Could someone check for me to see if either of these record could
> be my grandmother?
If you don't get a better offer, I should be able to check this for you
next Tuesday (27th).
Please confirm that you want the details for the births of Janet Smith
Green McLelland as registered under
1898 622/2 No.355 (Shettleston)
1898 644/4 No.681 (Glasgow - Calton)
If neither of these has father David and mother's m.s. Turnbull then
you really would like details for Jean (Anne/Violet???) McLelland,
allegedly born July 8, 1898. (I take it that's a middle name Anne or
Violet or something?) I'll only have access to the records for Glasgow
and surrounding counties so hopefully she wasn't born too far away.
hth
Josh
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:11:28 -0800
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
From: Nancy <nancyt@foxinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [LKS] Double recordings
Hi Josh,
My grandmother's background is very sketchy as she died in 1932 of
pnemonia and there are very few records that I have found for her and
seem to be different. Most show Jeanette or Jean but when she was
given to Barnardo's home in 1910, it showed that her mother left her
father when she was 1 year old and the lived on the streets for 10
years. Because of this, I would guess she made up her own middle
names. I can see how the name Jeanette amd Janet could sound the same
and her mother also gave her maiden name and birth date and said she
was born in Glasgow. All records show her birth as July 8, 1898.
I would really appreciate it if you could check the records on the
27th. I know so little about her and her family and I would like to
learn about them.
Thank you so much for your offer.
According to the Index of Birth for Scotland in 1898 Janet Smith
Green McLelland was registered at following parishes: Calton Glasgow
(681) and also Shettleston (355). Both these parishes are:Calton
(1855-1906) in the county of Lanark (Parish #644/4) and Shettleston
(1875-1912) in the county of Lanark (Parish #622/2). This was
according to the microfiche that I sent for from the LDS.
Nancy
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:44:30 GMT
To: Nancy <nancyt@foxinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [LKS] Double recordings
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Nancy,
The "master" record you want (I think) is -
1898 644/4 Glasgow - Calton No. 681
Janet Smith Green McLelland (female)
born: 1898 July 8th, 0h15m am, 129 Green Street, Calton, Glasgow
father: David McLelland, Planing Machine Worker (Domicil 22 Front
Square, Tollcross)
mother: Jane McLelland m.s. Turnbull
married: 1891 January 5th, Glasgow
informant: David McLelland, Father, 22 Front Square, Tollcross
registered: 1898 July 18th at Glasgow, Fred. G. Morton, Asst.
Registrar.
The Shettleston record has the margin note - "Parish of Birth -
Calton", David McLelland's name is written in by the registrar whereas
the Calton record is signed by him, and was registered "Transcribed at
Shettleston" on July 19th. Otherwise, it shows the same details.
I have no idea how such a double entry comes about. Since hospital
births became common, it is normal for a birth to be registered
_either_ in the district of the birth _or_ the home of the parents but
I don't think it is registered in both places.
So I had a look for the marriage in 1891 and didn't find it but -
1892 644/12 Glasgow - Gorbals No.68
On the 5th January at 34 Abbotsford Place, Glasgow after Publication
according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland
David McLelland, Slotting Machine Keeper, (Bachelor), Age 27, usual
residence 3 St. James Street, Kingston, Glasgow
father: David McLelland, Vertical Machine Keeper
mother: Mary McLelland m.s. Porter (deceased)
Jane Turnbull, Powerloom Weaver, (Spinster), Age 18, usual residence 22
Crown Street, Glasgow
father: Thomas Turnbull, Boilermaker (Journeyman)
mother: Annie Turnbull m.s. Dickson
celebrant: Andrew Leiper, Minister of Gorbals Parish
witnesses: Adam Cook & Sarah Murphy
registered: 1892 January 7th at Glasgow, Jno Brown Registrar.
I'm afraid I decided that there were too many options for Jane's birth
and gave up at that point.
I've also had a look at the LDS 1881 Census transcription for Lowland
Scotland and cannot see any families with the right parents and child.
So, there you are, as far as it goes. I can guess what a "planing
machine" machine might be in wood or metal work but have no idea about
"slotting" or "vertical" machines.
Oh yes, Tollcross is in Shettleston Parish/District
Over to you <G>
Josh
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:51:58 -0800
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
From: Nancy <nancyt@foxinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [LKS] Double recordings
Hi Josh,
I could hardly wait to get home from work to see if you'd gotten a
chance to look up some of my family members and I'm very excited
about what you've found!!!! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Not
only did you find my grandmother's birth certificate, but the finding
of her marriage and the names of her parents parents is really a
windfall for me. I live about 25 miles from a large LDS church in
Washington State USA, which has the UK census CD's and with the
information that you provided to me I'll be able to research more
details of her family. Knowing the names of her grandparents and the
maiden names of her grandmother's will give me a lot to be able to
research. I can hardly wait until I have time to look into this. I
can't thank you enough for taking the time to do this research for
me. I really do appreciate your help.
Nancy
p.s. I'll let you know what I learn.
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 07:12:18 GMT
To: Nancy <nancyt@foxinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [LKS] Double recordings
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Nancy,
on Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:51:58 -0800 you wrote
> I really do appreciate your help.
>
You're welcome. Good luck with your further researches.
Josh
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:13:04 -0800
From: Nancy <nancyt@foxinternet.com>
To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [LKS] Jean (Janet) McLelland grandmother - thank you
I have found your list server and the people associated with the
LANARK requests page to be so helpful and I want to thank Josh who
willingly offered to looked up both of my grandmothers parish records
and confirmed the information I had found. (Her birth name was
different than what I thought her name was) It really was my
grandmother and he also looked up and found my ggrandparents marriage
certificate. I also want to thank Kate, who I found lives less
than 30 miles from me in the state of Washington, USA and who I spend
over an hour on the phone. She checked the census 1881 and found my
grandmothers maternal parents. My next step will be to see what I
can find locally at the LDS, library and local genealogical library
pertaining to the information I now have. I've really appreciated the
time taken by both of these people.
Again, thank you!!!!!
Nancy