Judy Russell started a conversation in 2000 that lasted to 2005 sharing information on her family tree, resulting in her publishing a website on her family
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:38:36 EST
From: Jruss95@aol.com
To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [LKS] George Russell, Omoa, b. 1849 m. Margaret Scougal
George Russell was born 1849 in Omoa, Scotland, and died 1916 in Pittsburgh,
PA, USA as per his tombstone. He married Margaret Scougal, daughter of John
Scougal and Jessie Grainger, prob about 1870.
I would like to swap info about these families. Would be glad to the photos
I have of George and Margaret Russell and their children.
Judy Russell
Bogart, GA, USA
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:57:47 EST
From: Jruss95@aol.com
To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
When our ancestor George Russell died in Pittsburgh, PA, USA, in 1916, his
tombstone was engraved with his birthplace: Omoa, Scotland.
I've found the village on maps and done web searches for references, but I
wondered if anyone on the list has ever SEEN the village, or what's left of
it. I know there's a pub there; it's listed on the Pubs of Scotland list. I
know there once was an institution called the "Omoa Poor House."
Is anything left of Omoa?
Judy Russell
Bogart, GA, USA
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 07:23:15 GMT
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
Judy Russell wrote (inter alia)
>> I've found the village on maps <<
What vintage of maps? Current maps show Omoa just over a mile north of
Cleland and just east of Newarthill. In the mid-19th century, that was
Omoa Foundry (I'm fairly sure <G>) and was in Holytown District (Parish
of Bothwell).
The "real" Omoa, _is_ now Cleland. The present Cleland railway station
was Omoa station until the 1930s when the original Cleland station on
the Morningside branch closed and the name was transferred.
Consider the south west corner of the Parish of Shotts.
In the census of 1851, District of Shotts Division 8 - most of the
houses are listed as being in the Village of Omoa. Division 9 is the
Village of Omoa Iron Works.
In 1861, District of Shotts, Divisions 1 & 2 are Omoa Iron Works,
Division 3 contains the Village of Cleland but is the same area as
Division 8 of 1851.
By 1871, Division 1 - Omoa Square - "...Workmen's Houses, about 153 in
number lying around what was at Census 1861 named "Omoa Iron Works"",
Division 2 contains the Village of Cleland.
In 1881, Shotts West Division 1 - Village of Omoa, Division 2 - Village
of Cleland.
1n 1891, Shotts West Division 1 - Village of Omoa, Division 2 -
District of Cleland "..exclusive of the village of Omoa".
Sorry, on reflection that's a bit repetitive but I'm sure you see the
point - as Omoa lost its raison d'etre - the Iron Works - Cleland took
over. I haven't noticed any reference to Omoa Poor House in Shotts or
Holytown districts but then, I haven't been looking for it.
If you have access to a street map of Cleland, you will find Omoa Road
(B7029) runs north west from Main Street. The Iron Works was on the
right hand side just before you reach the railway. All redeveloped now.
Of course, all this does not prove that George was _not_ born at Omoa
Foundry but that was never more than ten or a dozen houses.
Been there? Come off it, it's almost twenty miles away and I've already
bought the map(s)! <BG>
hth
Josh
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:22:44 EST
From: Jruss95@aol.com
To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
In a message dated 11/7/2000 2:25:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JoshReynolds@compuserve.com writes:
>
> If you have access to a street map of Cleland, you will find Omoa Road
> (B7029) runs north west from Main Street. The Iron Works was on the
> right hand side just before you reach the railway. All redeveloped now.
>
> Of course, all this does not prove that George was _not_ born at Omoa
> Foundry but that was never more than ten or a dozen houses.
>
> Been there? Come off it, it's almost twenty miles away and I've already
> bought the map(s)! <BG>
>
> hth
>
> Josh
> --
Hi Josh: thank you for your great info on Omoa, which is becoming my
favorite place. The day that I posted my query I received my George
Russell's death certificate and it said Omoa, also. BUT, when I used the LDS
Family History Records with the names of the parents given in the death
certificate, I found George and the LDS records said SHOTTS. My George
must have *told* everyone he was from Omoa, because his wife was not from
around there and had never visited, probably. So she had to take his word
for it.
Funny thing about the name. I found this out from someone else who answered
my query. It is named for the Omoa in Honduras. When I did www searches the
Honduras one popped up lots more than the Scots one:
"The Village and works were named after the Battle at which the Col.
[Dalrymple] distinguised himself, capturing the Fort of San Fernando de Omoa
and the town of Omoa in Honduras in 1789. The ironworks closed in 1868, 2
years after the death of its penultimate Owner, Robert Stewart of Murdostoun."
I hope to come and see Cleland, anyway, some day! Thanks for your help.
Judy Russell
Bogart, GA, USA
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:16:45 -0600
From: vardy.wands@sympatico.ca
To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa Foundry/McKECHNEY/KECHANS etc
Hi all:
Just to link in to the Omoa discussion, I have an official birth registry
extract from the District of Holytown, Parish of Bothwick (this is a typo
and should be Bothwell, I believe) for John McKECHNEY b. May 1855, Omoa
Foundry. He later married Mary Jane YUILL and they had
His father was the ever elusive and multi-named William McKECHNEY, b. abt
1810 in Portnous (Portnoris?), Armagh, Ireland, who purportedly married
Mary THOMSON in Airdrie in 1834 (possibly under the name William
McINNES?). William & Mary had several children during 1834-1855: Born in
Airdrie - Alexander, William, Elizabeth; Born in Bothwell - Mary, Martha,
Henry, James, John.
This family appeared appeared in the 1851 census at Metal Row, Holytown,
Parish of Bothwell under the name KEGHAN. The family shows up in Harthill
at Moss Bank Cottages under the name KECHANS (without William) in the 1871
census. Mary died in 1887 at Old Monkland Poorhouse.William had died
several years earlier. I have yet to locate them on the 1841 and 1861 and
1881 censuses. (Mary was at Millers Land Crosstone in 1883 and may have
been living on her own in 1881).
Their son Alexander my great-grandfather, married Agnes STRANG in 1875.
Their family shows up in Harthill, Shotts on the 1881 census and in
Rutherglen (at an illegible address) on the 1891 census under the name
KECHINS.
In summary the name McKECHNEY has appeared as: KECHAN(S), KECHENS, KECHINS,
KEEHANS, KEGHAN, McKECHNEY, and possibly as McKECHNIE or McINNES.
If anyone thinks they have a connection or information, I would be
delighted to share information to pin down these family members.
Allan Wands,
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Josh Reynolds wrote:
> Judy Russell wrote (inter alia)
>
> >> I've found the village on maps <<
>
> What vintage of maps? Current maps show Omoa just over a mile north of
> Cleland and just east of Newarthill. In the mid-19th century, that was
> Omoa Foundry (I'm fairly sure <G>) and was in Holytown District (Parish
> of Bothwell).
>
> The "real" Omoa, _is_ now Cleland. The present Cleland railway station
> was Omoa station until the 1930s when the original Cleland station on
> the Morningside branch closed and the name was transferred.
>
> Consider the south west corner of the Parish of Shotts.
>
> In the census of 1851, District of Shotts Division 8 - most of the
> houses are listed as being in the Village of Omoa. Division 9 is the
> Village of Omoa Iron Works.
>
> In 1861, District of Shotts, Divisions 1 & 2 are Omoa Iron Works,
> Division 3 contains the Village of Cleland but is the same area as
> Division 8 of 1851.
>
> By 1871, Division 1 - Omoa Square - "...Workmen's Houses, about 153 in
> number lying around what was at Census 1861 named "Omoa Iron Works"",
> Division 2 contains the Village of Cleland.
>
> In 1881, Shotts West Division 1 - Village of Omoa, Division 2 - Village
> of Cleland.
>
> 1n 1891, Shotts West Division 1 - Village of Omoa, Division 2 -
> District of Cleland "..exclusive of the village of Omoa".
>
> Sorry, on reflection that's a bit repetitive but I'm sure you see the
> point - as Omoa lost its raison d'etre - the Iron Works - Cleland took
> over. I haven't noticed any reference to Omoa Poor House in Shotts or
> Holytown districts but then, I haven't been looking for it.
>
> If you have access to a street map of Cleland, you will find Omoa Road
> (B7029) runs north west from Main Street. The Iron Works was on the
> right hand side just before you reach the railway. All redeveloped now.
>
> Of course, all this does not prove that George was _not_ born at Omoa
> Foundry but that was never more than ten or a dozen houses.
>
> Been there? Come off it, it's almost twenty miles away and I've already
> bought the map(s)! <BG>
>
> hth
>
> Josh
> --
>
> Using Virtual Access
> http://www.soft-shop.com
>
> ==== LANARK Mailing List ====
> he Scottish Church 1560 - 1929
> http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/chart.htm
From: Jruss95@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 11:26:13 EST
Subject: oops...sent to list, not you personally.
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
Subj: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
Date: 11/7/2000 8:25:02 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: Jruss95@aol.com
To: LANARK-L@rootsweb.com
In a message dated 11/7/2000 2:25:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JoshReynolds@compuserve.com writes:
>
> If you have access to a street map of Cleland, you will find Omoa Road
> (B7029) runs north west from Main Street. The Iron Works was on the
> right hand side just before you reach the railway. All redeveloped now.
>
> Of course, all this does not prove that George was _not_ born at Omoa
> Foundry but that was never more than ten or a dozen houses.
>
> Been there? Come off it, it's almost twenty miles away and I've already
> bought the map(s)! <BG>
>
> hth
>
> Josh
> --
Hi Josh: thank you for your great info on Omoa, which is becoming my
favorite place. The day that I posted my query I received my George
Russell's death certificate and it said Omoa, also. BUT, when I used the LDS
Family History Records with the names of the parents given in the death
certificate, I found George and the LDS records said SHOTTS. My George
must have *told* everyone he was from Omoa, because his wife was not from
around there and had never visited, probably. So she had to take his word
for it.
Funny thing about the name. I found this out from someone else who answered
my query. It is named for the Omoa in Honduras. When I did www searches the
Honduras one popped up lots more than the Scots one:
"The Village and works were named after the Battle at which the Col.
[Dalrymple] distinguised himself, capturing the Fort of San Fernando de Omoa
and the town of Omoa in Honduras in 1789. The ironworks closed in 1868, 2
years after the death of its penultimate Owner, Robert Stewart of Murdostoun."
I hope to come and see Cleland, anyway, some day! Thanks for your help.
Judy Russell
Bogart, GA, USA
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:31:34 GMT
To: Jruss95@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Judy,
> The day that I posted my query I received my George
> Russell's death certificate and it said Omoa, also. BUT, when I used the LDS
> Family History Records with the names of the parents given in the death
> certificate, I found George and the LDS records said SHOTTS. My George
> must have *told* everyone he was from Omoa,
>
And I'm sure he was.
Omoa/Cleland was within the historic Parish of Shotts which predates the present
town of that name. (The Kirk is much closer to Salsburgh than to Shotts.)
Assuming George was born before 1855, the only record of his birth/baptism would
be in the parish register. It would be at the whim of whoever made the entry
whether a more exact place of birth was mentioned, and since it was a
_baptismal_ register, most folk would have considered the place of birth (and
often the date) irrelevant.
If George was still in Omoa in 1841,51,61 etc, let me know the shape of his
family at that time and I'll see if I can find them next time I am near the
Shotts censuses (probably before the end of the month).
Josh
From: Jruss95@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:23:14 EST
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
In a message dated 11/11/2000 2:31:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JoshReynolds@compuserve.com writes:
> If George was still in Omoa in 1841,51,61 etc, let me know the shape of his
> family at that time and I'll see if I can find them next time I am near the
> Shotts censuses (probably before the end of the month).
>
> Josh
Hi Josh: thank you for your generous offer. Here's what I have found so far
on IGI online records. (I am planning on ordering Parish Records films from
LDS, but that will take a couple of weeks.)
George Russell (b. about 1817 in Cambusnethan Parish) m. Elizabeth George (b.
abt 1821 Bothwell, Lanark) 3 Jul 1842 at Bothwell.
Their son George Russell was born 5 Jun 1848 at Shotts, Lanark.
I have tried to check IGI online for other children, but haven't been able to
find any. I hope to be able to spend some time on this next week.
So what I have so far for the 1851 Census would be
Father: George Russell, age abt 34
Mother: Elizabeth Russell, nee George, age abt 30
Son: George Russell, age 2
I'll keep looking for other children.
Thank you again. JUdy
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:26:46 GMT
To: Jruss95@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Judy,
> So what I have so far for the 1851 Census would be
>
> Father: George Russell, age abt 34
> Mother: Elizabeth Russell, nee George, age abt 30
> Son: George Russell, age 2
>
Well, that with the birthplaces is a good picture of what I'm looking
for if I find a multiplicity of Russells around Omoa.
Leave it with me and I'll get back to you when I've had a chance to
look.
Josh
From: Jruss95@aol.com
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:47:16 EST
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
In a message dated 11/14/2000 2:26:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JoshReynolds@compuserve.com writes:
>
> > So what I have so far for the 1851 Census would be
> >
> > Father: George Russell, age abt 34
> > Mother: Elizabeth Russell, nee George, age abt 30
> > Son: George Russell, age 2
> >
>
> Well, that with the birthplaces is a good picture of what I'm looking
> for if I find a multiplicity of Russells around Omoa.
>
> Leave it with me and I'll get back to you when I've had a chance to
> look.
>
> Josh
>
Hi Josh: I appreciate your very kind offer; please don't go out of your way
at this busy time of year. I will be working on the family from this end
also and hope to find some more details. JudyR
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:30:28 GMT
To: Jruss95@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Judy,
>> don't go out of your way <<
I won't, I only offer help with narrowly targeted searches which fit in
with my own. <g>
So, while looking for an alternative Allan family, I happened across
the following-
1851 Shotts Division 8
"That part of the Parish which is bounded on the East, by the Carlisle
Road; on the South by South Calder; on the West and North by Bothwell
Parish - Exclusive of the Village of Omoa Iron Works."
Schedule No. 89 - I had difficulty making out the location despite it
appearing in several different places, something like
Sarehill/Scarehill or Sarsehill. I've decided to settle for Scarhill as
there is a street of that name in Cleland (Parkside) today. Anyway, it
was just a couple of houses outside the actual Village of Omoa
(sorry!).
forename(s)/surname/relationship/marital status/occupation/b'place
Elisabeth/Russell/Head/W/30//Lanark, Hamilton
Janet/do./Daur/8/Scholar/do., Camnethan (= Cambusnethan)
Thomas/do./Son/5/do./do., Shotts
George/do./Son/2//do., Shotts
Thomas/George/Father/Widr/70/Colliery Clk/Aberdeenshire, Huntly
Family not found in 1861 in the same area. (Shotts, Divisions 1-3)
I hadn't expected to find a widow and wasn't absolutely sure that it
was a W so I had a quick look in the OPR for Shotts and found
Church Yard Dues 1850
Nov 12 George Russell Miner Scarshill aged 29 years (no amount
shown)
Since I had the film, I took a look at the Baptisms and found
Thomas Russell, parents George Russell (Miner), Elizabeth George, born
Dec 1845 at New Mains, baptised Jan 26 1846 by Revd Mr Watt.
George Russell, parents George Russell (Miner), Elizabeth George, born
Jun 5 1848 at Scarhill, baptised Jul 16, 1848 by Revd Mr Watt.
There were a few other Russells in the vicinity who might become of
interest.
1851 Shotts Division 8
Schedule No. 7 Village of Omoa
Agnes/Russell/Head/W/31/Tambourer/Lanark, Shotts
Hugh/do./Son//5/Scholar/do., do.
Margt/Hill/Mother/W/60//do., do.
Schedule No. 19 Village of Omoa
Elizabeth/Brownlie/Head/U/54/Pauper (Tambourer)/Lanark, Dalziel
Jane/do./Sister/U/43/Ag. Serv./do., Shotts
William/Russell/Nephew/U/32/Collier/do., do.
Schedule No. 39 Village of Omoa
Thomas/Russell/Head/Mar/29/Collier and Iron Miner/Lanark, Bothwell
Janet/do./Wife/Mar/29//do., Shotts
Peter/do./Son//7 Scholar/do., do.
Margaret/do./Daur//5/do./do., do.
Ann/do./Daur//2//do., do.
Robert Inglis/do./Son//2m//do., do.
Christine/Currie/Niece/U/17/Worker in Cotton Mill/do., Bothwell
(I also found a birth for this family in the Shotts OPR
"1845 Thomas Russell, Collier, Cleland, and Janet Inglis his spouse
had a daughter born there on 2nd September, and Baptized the 5th
October by the Revd Mr Watt and named Margaret"
(The format of the entries changed at the end of 1845 with the adoption
of a preprinted register.))
Schedule No. 70 Village of Omoa
John Brown and family with
Thomas/Russell/Lodger/U/19/Lab. Carter/Lanark, Hamilton
Schedule No. 74 Biddstownhead, Village of Omoa
Andrew/Russell/Head/U/43/Hand Loom Weaver Cotton/Lanark, Shotts
plus three lodgers
1861 Shotts Division 3
"The portion of this Parish lying to the West of the Road leading from
Newmains to Newhouse exclusive of the two former divisions viz Omoa
Iron Works, bounded on the north, west and south by the boundary of the
parish and on the east by the said road. Containing the Village of
Cleland."
Schedule No. 26 Clelland Cottage, Village of Cleland (2 rooms with
windows)
Andrew/Russell/Head/Mar/53/Weaver/Lanarkshire, Shotts
Janet/do./Wife/Mar/43//do., Hamilton
Margaret/Harvey/Visitor/Mar/30//do., do.
Janet/do./Visit. Daur//1//do., Shotts
Schedule No. 58 Clelland, Village of Clelland (2 rooms with windows)
Thomas/Russell/Head/Mar/42/Coal Miner/Lanarkshire, Bothwell
Janet/do./Wife/do./41//do., Shotts
Peter/do./Son/Umn/17/Coal Miner/do., do.
Margaret/do./Daur//15/Tambourer/do., do.
Anne/do./do.//12/do./do., do.
Janet/do./do.//8/Scholar/do., do.
Robert/do./Son//10/do./do., do.
Elizabeth/do./Daur//3//do., do.
hth
Josh
From: Jruss95@aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 08:44:38 EST
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
Josh: Your notes on the Russell Family are such a wonderful gift! Thank you
for the act of Genealogical Kindness. I will print out and study carefully.
And see what to make of all this.
I had seen the town name of Scarehill before, I think.
JUdy
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:21:36 GMT
To: Jruss95@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi again Judy,
I happened to be in the vicinity of the Shotts OPR again recently and
if you haven't got hold of it yet, here's a couple more snippets to
whet your appetite.
1842 (Proclamation Money)
March 27 To Thomas Rufsell and Janet Inglis both in this Parish 2/6d
1843 Baptism
Thomas Russell, Collier, Omoa Iron Works and Janet Inglis his Spouse
had a Son born there upon the 29th day of May and baptized be the Revd.
Mr Gillon of Wishawtown upon the 30th July and named Peter Inglis.
1843 (Mortcloth)
Sept 6 To James Inglis, Shoemaker, Omoa aged 80 years 4/8d
1844 Baptism
George Russell, Labourer, (Omoa*) Liquo and Elizabeth George his Spouse
had a Son born on the 29th day of September and baptized by the Revd.
William W. Watt on the 3rd November and named James.
* Omoa is scored out. Liquo = "Bowhousebog or Liquo" on current map,
just north of Allanton. I didn't have time to check for a death for
this James.
hth
Josh
From: Jruss95@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:52:50 EST
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
In a message dated 12/14/2000 2:21:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JoshReynolds@compuserve.com writes:
> Hi again Judy,
>
> I happened to be in the vicinity of the Shotts OPR again recently and
> if you haven't got hold of it yet, here's a couple more snippets to
> whet your appetite.
Hi Josh: Yesterday I was reading again the Omoa information that you had
sent me previously and have it here on my desk so that I could write to you
again to send you my heartfelt thanks! And this morning the "snippets"
arrive to add some more details. So thank you, again, and for both letters.
I hope that after the holidays I can develop a plan for ordering some films
from the Family History Center to see what else I can find about the family.
When I get a tentativle list together, may I send it to you for input about
which films might be useful?
George Russell of this list sent me a wonderful photo image of what I think
is the Old Omoa Road --would you like me to send it along to you?
Thank you again and Happy Holidays.
Judy
Bogart, GA, USA
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:31:09 GMT
To: Jruss95@aol.com
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Judy.
> So thank you, again, and for both letters.
You're welcome.
> When I get a tentativle list together, may I send it to you for input about
> which films might be useful?
Feel free. I can't really help with cross-referencing film numbers. The Mitchell
Library has the boxes marked with year and district number and name so although
the film numbers are on the films, I haven't paid much attention to them.
However, I _think_ I know the geography. <G>
FWIW, the Shotts OPR is on two films dividing about 1820. I have only had cause
to look at the second one so far. Most of the census films have more than one
district on them in district number order, I think the 1851 Shotts District
(655) was on the end of 653 Pettinain and 654 Rutherglen.
> George Russell of this list sent me a wonderful photo image of what I think
> is the Old Omoa Road --would you like me to send it along to you?
No thanks, I have enough scraps of paper and small files to keep track of
without adding images as well. <G>
Josh
--
From: Jruss95@aol.com
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:06:31 EST
Subject: Re: [LKS] Omoa, near Cleland
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
In a message dated 12/17/2000 2:30:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JoshReynolds@compuserve.com writes:
> No thanks, I have enough scraps of paper and small files to keep track of
> without adding images as well. <G>
>
> Josh
Well, this makes sense. I love the image because I've never been there.
You see the area every day! Have a Happy Holiday Season! Judy
From: Jruss95@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 09:18:13 EST
Subject: A Question about Church Yard Dues
To: joshReynolds@compuserve.com
Hi Josh: In November you very kindly sent me some info that you found on the
1851 Census and also the OPR films for Shotts about my Russell family.
One entry was:
Church yard dues 1850
Nov 12 George Russell Miner Scarshill aged 29 years (no amount shown)
My question: Would 12 Nov 1850 be the date of burial for George Russell? or
date of death? or neither? I'm hoping to find a death record.
I appreciate your help -- and Happy New Year!
Judy Russell
Bogart, GA, USA
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:20:07 GMT
To: Jruss95@aol.com
Subject: Re: A Question about Church Yard Dues
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Judy,
> Would 12 Nov 1850 be the date of burial for George Russell? or
> date of death? or neither?
I am no expert on OPRs, most of my folk were Irish Catholic immigrants
who would not have thought to bother the Minister with mere matters of
life and death. <G>
That particular volume is more of a parish account book, recording
payments for marriage proclamations, hire of the mortcloth and even
Poor Law payments so it could have been the date the payment was made,
but the one book I have on ancestor hunting in Scotland implies that it
is the date of the burial, which is the impression I have picked up
from various postings I've seen on the subject.
hth
Josh
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:20:07 GMT
To: Jruss95@aol.com
Subject: Re: A Question about Church Yard Dues
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi again Judy,
Sorry, I forgot to comment on this bit.
> I'm hoping to find a death record.
What do you know that I don't? <G>
Civil registration in Scotland commences at the beginning of 1855,
prior to that date, the OPRs _are_ the records. The only other hope is
that if he was killed in a mining accident, it might be mentioned in
the newspapers (I don't know what the local papers were, it would have
had to have been a pretty big accident to have made the Glasgow Herald
or Scotsman), or on a website that I haven't looked at yet -
http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Miners killed & injured in mining accidents between 1850-1914
hth
Josh
From: Jruss95@aol.com
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:03:08 EST
Subject: Re: A Question about Church Yard Dues
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
In a message dated 1/28/2001 4:19:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JoshReynolds@compuserve.com writes:
> That particular volume is more of a parish account book, recording
> payments for marriage proclamations, hire of the mortcloth and even
> Poor Law payments so it could have been the date the payment was made,
> but the one book I have on ancestor hunting in Scotland implies that it
> is the date of the burial, which is the impression I have picked up
> from various postings I've seen on the subject.
>
> hth
>
>
Thanks, Josh, for your thoughts on the matter. I'll let you know if I find
anything new. Judy
From: Jruss95@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:26:12 EST
Subject: Re: A Question about Church Yard Dues
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
In a message dated 1/30/2001 2:19:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JoshReynolds@compuserve.com writes:
> What do you know that I don't? <G>
>
> Civil registration in Scotland commences at the beginning of 1855,
> prior to that date, the OPRs _are_ the records. The only other hope is
> that if he was killed in a mining accident, it might be mentioned in
> the newspapers (I don't know what the local papers were, it would have
> had to have been a pretty big accident to have made the Glasgow Herald
> or Scotsman), or on a website that I haven't looked at yet -
>
> http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
> Miners killed & injured in mining accidents between 1850-1914
>
>
Ha!! I know VERY little. I did check out the mining accidents site. Found
a good map of my region, and many Russells, but not my George Russell. I
also joined the mining list. I'll post my Russell there along with dates,
etc.
Thanks for all your help and suggestions! Judy
From: Jruss95@aol.com
Received: from Jruss95@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:26:36 EDT
Subject: reviewing my material abt OMOA
To: JoshReynolds@compuserve.com
Hi Josh: I am writing up my notes on George Russell of OMOA and wanted to
thank you again for all of your help tracking down references, etc., in that
area. You will definitely get a word of thanks in my "Introduction." I hope
to get back to tracking down some more details of my Russell family of 1850
or so in OMOA and SHOTTS, and I'll be glad to keep you posted on any thing
you might be interested in.
Judy Russell
Bogart, GA
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:58:17 GMT
To: Jruss95@aol.com
Subject: Re: reviewing my material abt OMOA
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Judy
> I am writing up my notes on George Russell of OMOA
I find that takes more time than the research. <G>
> And wanted to thank you again for all of your help
You're welcome. You raised the subject at a time when I was actively
working on that area so I was happy to be of use at small cost to
myself.
All the best with your future searches.
Josh
--
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 20:46:29 +0100
To: Judith Russell <jrussell2@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Omoa, near Cleland
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Hi Judy,
on Mon, 26 May 2003 09:16:58 -0400 you wrote
> Hi Josh: I was just reviewing our 2000 discussion about the village
> of Omoa, near Cleland in Lanarkshire.
As long ago as that - doesn't time fly! And I still haven't got around
to travelling the twenty miles up the road to examine the scene of the
crime.
> Just the other day I got a message from
> Christiane Gingras who lived near Omoa in the 1950s. She was
> writing up some details for her parents' 50th anniversary, so I was
> able to pass on the bits of info that you had sent me, plus some
> things that I had gathered.
Much more of this and we will have to establish an "Omoa Enthusiasts
Club"!
> So this is just to say Hello and
> to let you know that people are still interested in Omoa!
Nice to know that I'm not alone. <G>
I hope you are keeping well
Regards
Josh
--
From: "Judith F. Russell" <jrussell2@charter.net>
To: <JoshReynolds@compuserve.com>
Subject: Russell DNA results are in
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:51:12 -0400
Hi Josh: I think you might be interested in the results of my son's DNA
test kit. Just as a reminder: our George Russell, born 1848 in Omoa to
George and Elizabeth George Russell, emigrated to Pennsylvania, USA about
1870. When my son's dna was compared with other Russells who have submitted
test kits, it was found that this Scottish DNA match that of some Russells
who had come to America, much earlier -- Matthew, said to have been born in
Ulster, Ireland around 1740 and was in Pennsylvania about 1760.
To me very interesting. So we must look for a common ancestor back in
England, Ireland, or Scotland.
I'm going to try to do my part by getting back to my Russell Research in
Omoa/Cleland/Cambusnethan. I wanted to ask you if you know of anyone who is
working on this project...that is, gathering info on the various Russell
families, particularly thru the 1841 Census. If no one has done that, I
think that is the first thing I need to do. I need your opinion of what
districts or parishes to included in my search. I would like to try to
develop family descent trees for each of the Russell families -- looks like
there might be about 10 or 12??
I tried to do this at some point with refs to the various John Russells, and
sent it to the Lanark-l at rootsweb. I can also use the OPR transcriptions
that Jim Bundy is putting online for Shotts -- I know that my family is in
there, since you once were kind enough to send me a bit of info on them.
Anyway, I would be very interested in your thoughts on a project to sort out
the Russell families, especially if you know of anyone who is working on
this already. I would be glad to try to contribute to any on-going project.
Best wishes,
Judy
> > Looking at the LDS records, I see 4 John Russells born around the mid
> 1770s
> > in Shotts and Cambusnethan.
> >
> > 1. John Russell married Margaret Steel on 01 July 1797
> >
> > 2. John Russell married Margaret McAlpine 11 Nov 1797
> >
> > 3. John Russell married Anne Galbreath 22 Feb 1799
> >
> > 4. John Russell married Elizabeth Morton.
> >
> > If you know the parents of any of these John Russells, would you let me
> and
> > the rest of the list? I am trying to sort out the births of the
various
> > Lanarkshire John Russells that were born during the mid 1770s.
> >
> > (My family's ancestor is the, I believe, the John Russell who married
> > Margaret McAlpine, 11 Nov 1797)
From: "Judith F. Russell" <jrussell2@charter.net>
To: <lks-l@rootsweb.com>
Subject: Russells in Shotts and Cambusnethan 1750 - 1850
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:18:47 -0400
I would like to build a database with all Russell families in Shotts and
Cambusnethan from 1750 - 1850. So I'm going to print and collate as many
Russells on the LDS Batches that I can find for these years to beginning
inputting them.
If you have info on a Russell family of this place and timeframe, I would
really like to hear from you. Any family (with parents, children, and
children's spouses) already identified would help a great deal. I would
particularly like to know if anyone has info on any Russell families from
the 1841, 1851, 1861 censuses from the area.
I'll gladly share the Russell Database with the group when I get it
finished.
But! Please let me know before I start if you know of any such data
accumulation that's already out there somewhere! I sure don't want to
"reinvent the wheel!"
Best wishes and thank you,
Judy Russell
Bogart, Georgia, USA
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:48:42 +0100
To: Judith F. Russell <jrussell2@charter.net>
Subject: Re: Russell DNA results are in
From: Josh Reynolds <JoshReynolds@Tiscali.co.uk>
*Please note new email address*
Hi Judy,
> I wanted to ask you if you know of anyone who is
> working on this project...
No, I wear blinkers. <G>
You may be aware of the Guild of One-Name Studies (GOONS) who maintain
information on who is studying which names, they are the only body I
can think of likely to know who (if anyone) is working on Russell.
Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org
> I need your opinion of what
> districts or parishes to included in my search.
Er, um, eh?
How did my great-grandfather meet a girl from Newarthill when the rest
of his family lived in Shettleston?
There really is no way of predicting where families will move. The best
you can hope for is that miners tend to stick with that job while they
are in reasonable health. Which means if they move it is most likely to
be within the Lanarkshire coalfield. Shotts, Cambusnethan, Bothwell,
Old and New Monkland, Shettleston parishes, Holytown district (split
off from Bothwell) after 1855 and Calderhead after 1863 (I think).
Having said that, one of my families moved from Shettleston to Ayrshire
(but luckily realised the error of their ways and then went to the
Shotts).
But labourers and tradesmen could go anywhere.
If I had your ambitions, I would start with no more than Shotts,
Cambusnethan, and Bothwell parishes (all adjoining) and even that is a
frightening prospect.
Sorry I can't be more positive.
Have fun <G>
Josh
From: "Judith F. Russell" <jrussell2@charter.net>
To: <JoshReynolds@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: thanks
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:48:52 -0400
As always, I appreciate your thoughts! It was your help, way back in 2000,
that got me started on finding my Russells, so you have a vested interest in
the project.
Lots of folks have sent me data in various forms -- an overwhelming amount--
so I'm just trying to figure out what I can do. I want to create family
trees, not just lists of Russells, so I need data that links generations.
I will go to my Family history center today or tomorrow to see what they
have and what I need to order.
Thanks so much,
Judy
From: "Judith F. Russell" <jrussell2@charter.net>
To: "Douglas Russell" <douglasrussell@currantbun.com>,
"George Russell" <g_g_russell@yahoo.com>
Cc: <List@russell.descendants.us>,
"JoshReynolds@compuserve.com" <JoshReynolds@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: More Scottish Russells linked by DNA
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:51:12 -0400
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=johnrussell3308&id=I1713
Hello to my Scottish, Russell, and Lanark friends! It is so interesting
that we are getting more and more Scottish families linked by dna. If you
go to the web address above, you will see the family tree of William Russell
and Elizabeth Muir of Lanark about 1750. The family later lived in several
closeby places including Airdrie and Strathaven. A dna sample from one of
their American Russell descendants has turned out to be almost an identical
match for my George Russell, born 1848 in Omoa/Shotts, Lanark. So we know
that these two families had a common ancestor in the not too distant past.
Also very closely related is at least one other branch in the USA for which
we don't have links to the old world yet. A bit more distantly related is
the family of Alonzo Russell who was also in the USA in the 1600s.
I wanted to send you the web address so that, if you have a chance to look,
you might let me know if anything looks like it connects to your research or
families.
Best wishes to all,
Judy Russell